UPS MAN DELIVERY! BM SHIFTER

[eddie102870]

yeah hes at the beach at the family reunion this weekend, i told him to go ahead and get it to me so i could mail it to you. he must be waiting on me to go over there and take it off. i might just do that, and drink all his beer while im at it.

 

[BOOMER]

yeah hes at the beach at the family reunion this weekend, i told him to go ahead and get it to me so i could mail it to you. he must be waiting on me to go over there and take it off. i might just do that, and drink all his beer while im at it.

you should do that-drink all of his beer-thats what brothers are for!:rock:

 

[eddie102870]

he damn sure gets into mine when he comes over. amazing how brothers are different though, i cant work on nuthin with him, hes like a tornado in a shop.

 

[John Stuttle]

You know boys, it all boils down to people have been putting shorter levers on shifters for years to shorten the throw. There is even this same mod out there for vipers (not mine). I have never bad mouthed boomers shifters, and as a matter of fact I purchased on of his first ones, along with other stuff from him.

Gary for some reason you seem to think I have some vendetta against you - I do not. But you berate me every time I post this mod so the discussions get heated.

People find value in your products and they will buy them.

Others find value in different ways and will seek those values out.

If someone wants to try my suggested mod and they like it fine. If they don't fine. It is all a personal preference and value process.

john

 

[BOOMER]

You know boys, it all boils down to people have been putting shorter levers on shifters for years to shorten the throw. There is even this same mod out there for vipers (not mine). I have never bad mouthed boomers shifters, and as a matter of fact I purchased on of his first ones, along with other stuff from him.

Gary for some reason you seem to think I have some vendetta against you - I do not. But you berate me every time I post this mod so the discussions get heated.

People find value in your products and they will buy them.

Others find value in different ways and will seek those values out.

If someone wants to try my suggested mod and they like it fine. If they don't fine. It is all a personal preference and value process.

john

sure i agree with you on 99% of your above statements. on the current vipers, there isnt a shorter stick. the shifter "lever" is a spun shaft that screws into the shifter base, and the knob screws to that. the only way to reduce throw is to move the fulcrum point internaley with a new shifter base.
yes i did get heated, i apologize. the % of gains with a shorter lever was a bit of optimistic-math, in a Eron sort of way, and know you werent doing intentionally. the tremec transmission dosent work well with the Hurst shifter, but not everyone wants total perfomance, and thats fine. i am just OCD when it comes to making something work to its fullest potential.

 

[avcts]

For a "half a$$" low cost patch job, if you will....reducing the length of the lever does help somewhat. I used trig and the arc sine of the angle to determine what the exact throw distance was. It was near 5.25". The angle was 11deg(R triangle) if I remember. Then ya double it. I cant remember for sure unless I figure it out again. I'm to lazy right now. After the math and cutting the lever, is absolutely reduced the throw 20%. Well, it was 19 and some change. Then I measured the throw after the cut job. Dropped an inch.

All true. Cutting to short would reduce alittle further but it would require to much effort to make the shift. You would loose leverage. I believe you would raise the angle of coincidence(fulcrum) to reduce the angle. This is were it is done properly. Look at aftermarket shifters...bases are taller.

Lets face it....we can patch all day long and make some decent improvements. If we want a total correction, we either have to engineer a new shifter ourselves or buy a good aftermarket one.

All the freakin waisted time and headaches I've delt with. Do the patch and see how it is for you. If it aint enough, buy a new one.

Gary...with your resources and background....design a lever a little shorter and bring the lever more torwards the driver's knee. You could sell the "low cost" patch and your elite replacement. Product for all.

Really...lets stop pissin on each other's cornflakes.

 

[FSTJACK]

Gary & John,

You boys are defending positions that need no defense.
Both of you are correct in what has been said.

I see this as painting ones self into a tight area with very little room to manuver. The reason I recognize this is I have a propensity to do this myself, and more often than I would like to admit. I can become intolerably right without regard for what is really going on. I have to give everyone the dignity to have their own opinion without getting out my sheriff's badge and arresting their ideas. And sometines killing the accused in the process of simply trying to get my point across. We are a group of 500+ mostly A type personalities, and I myself disagree with some things that are posted here. Does this make them wrong. Not always. If it is their opinion it is what they believe. Even Charley Manson believed that what he did was going to help in the long run. I cannot change anybodys thinking, the only thing I can change is how I react to their opinion. And if I act in a mature and nonreactive manner that hopefully allows me to get my point acrross. I have found that when I start argueing, my point is lost early on, as the other person cannot hear what I am trying to say, as he is defending himself rather than exchanging information.

I see separate issues that have been amalgamated into something that does not even remotley resemble what this thread started out to be.

 

[BOOMER]

For a "half a$$" low cost patch job, if you will....reducing the length of the lever does help somewhat. I used trig and the arc sine of the angle to determine what the exact throw distance was. It was near 5.25". The angle was 11deg(R triangle) if I remember. Then ya double it. I cant remember for sure unless I figure it out again. I'm to lazy right now. After the math and cutting the lever, is absolutely reduced the throw 20%. Well, it was 19 and some change. Then I measured the throw after the cut job. Dropped an inch.

All true. Cutting to short would reduce alittle further but it would require to much effort to make the shift. You would loose leverage. I believe you would raise the angle of coincidence(fulcrum) to reduce the angle. This is were it is done properly. Look at aftermarket shifters...bases are taller.

Lets face it....we can patch all day long and make some decent improvements. If we want a total correction, we either have to engineer a new shifter ourselves or buy a good aftermarket one.

All the freakin waisted time and headaches I've delt with. Do the patch and see how it is for you. If it aint enough, buy a new one.

Gary...with your resources and background....design a lever a little shorter and bring the lever more torwards the driver's knee. You could sell the "low cost" patch and your elite replacement. Product for all.

Really...lets stop pissin on each other's cornflakes.

good ideas on both counts. thank you.:burnout:

 

[BOOMER]

Gary & John,

You boys are defending positions that need no defense.
Both of you are correct in what has been said.

I see this as painting ones self into a tight area with very little room to manuver. The reason I recognize this is I have a propensity to do this myself, and more often than I would like to admit. I can become intolerably right without regard for what is really going on. I have to give everyone the dignity to have their own opinion without getting out my sheriff's badge and arresting their ideas. And sometines killing the accused in the process of simply trying to get my point across. We are a group of 500+ mostly A type personalities, and I myself disagree with some things that are posted here. Does this make them wrong. Not always. If it is their opinion it is what they believe. Even Charley Manson believed that what he did was going to help in the long run. I cannot change anybodys thinking, the only thing I can change is how I react to their opinion. And if I act in a mature and nonreactive manner that hopefully allows me to get my point acrross. I have found that when I start argueing, my point is lost early on, as the other person cannot hear what I am trying to say, as he is defending himself rather than exchanging information.

I see separate issues that have been amalgamated into something that does not even remotley resemble what this thread started out to be.

point taken. thank you.

 

[Begood]

Hey Avcts, were you able to get the BM shifter to work to your satisfaction?

Bill.

 

[avcts]

I'm currenty in contact with a Mechanical Engineer at BM. It works. Shifts are more precise and the centering return is much more apparent. Downshifting is improved. Throw is shorter. About 20% from OEM.

Its nice but I just may have a little bug in mine. Its screams at me.

We are trying to isolate the cause. I dont have a clue. I dont make these.
I will be talking to him on Tuesday.

As long as we find the noise, Im good with it.

I think I want to try Boomers. I want a shorter throw and the lever positioned more towards me right knee. I drag race.

After this is settled...I'm not going to beat on my Ram anymore. I'm going to build a pro street dakota with a SB 402. Im already looking for a Dakota RT. I can get the crate motor reasonably.:burnout:

...oh..by the way. I mounted the OE lever on the opposite side of the Hurst shaft to bring it closer to my knee. Dunno, in theory, you would now be pushing the shaft rather than pulling it. That didnt sound right did it?

I can post a pick when i get back later tonight.

 

[mauiSRT/10]

Fulcrum point. There is a word I had heard of but never knew the definition. This thread has been heated and educational! LOL


patrick

 

[droptail]

B & M

Just put the production one in after running with the prototype for 6 months. Mine doesn't make any more noise than the Hurst, and works great like the proto I was using. I still need to race with it.

 

[avcts]

Mine screems at me. I pulled it back out. BM has not gotten back to me yet.

Its been over a week. Its sitting on my kitchen floor back in the box. If I dont hear anything from BM shortly, I'm returning it.

 

[Madduc]

Who pissed on the corn flakes???

 

[avcts]

Guys,

I received a new replacement shifter from BM. I installed it in just a few minutes. This shifter is DEFINATELY worth the money. Shifts are more positive and precise. NO noise from this shifter. Just the typical stick noise from ANY performance shifter. It is the same as the modded OEM Hurst.

The shipping box for the original shifter was pretty beat up. It could have been damaged in shipping. It was rattling around when the UPS man handed it to me.

I need to try it at the track. However, I need a clutch and I'm awaiting its arrival. Then, I have to break it in. Screw the 500 miles. Im going to the track after 100 or so. I cant wait that long.

Anyways, for the money, you can t beat this shifter. Order one.:dancing:

 

[UNIBOY]

Guys,

I received a new replacement shifter from BM. I installed it in just a few minutes. This shifter is DEFINATELY worth the money. Shifts are more positive and precise. NO noise from this shifter. Just the typical stick noise from ANY performance shifter. It is the same as the modded OEM Hurst.

The shipping box for the original shifter was pretty beat up. It could have been damaged in shipping. It was rattling around when the UPS man handed it to me.

I need to try it at the track. However, I need a clutch and I'm awaiting its arrival. Then, I have to break it in. Screw the 500 miles. Im going to the track after 100 or so. I cant wait that long.

Anyways, for the money, you can t beat this shifter. Order one.:dancing:

Don't do it. I went to the track with only 100 miles on my new centerforce clutch and ruined the clutch and almost screwed up my flywheel. The clutch lasted less than 1000 miles.

 

[avcts]

Damn...really?

Its that critical? I remember changing clutches in 3rd gen mustangs with SVO clutch kits. After about 100 miles, I pounded the shit out of them with no issues.

However, I have to say I never used a Centerforce. That is the clutch that Ive ordered. I dont think I can put 500 miles on it before the season ends. That means...no more 1/4 mile passes until next year.

I dont think I can deal with that.

 

[UNIBOY]

I thought the same thing as you. I used to change the clutch on my camaro and drive it hard right away without problems.

 

[JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE]

when we installed my center force we just rode the piss out of it on starts and stops in forward and reverse for about 100 miles or so and I have been stomping the piss out of it since then and so far its ok.
Now this is just mine, so I think its all in how you break it in.