What Oklahoma has done about Illegal aliens

[iraqivet01]

This was sent to me by a Father of friend who works for IRS here in Oklahoma.

Well, it passed! Oklahoma is no longer OK for Illegal Aliens........ It seems that at least one state has decided to take matters into it's own hands, since the Federal Government keeps dragging it's feet on this Illegal alien stuff and even reversing popularopinion on how to handle it.

Oklahoma's Governor Brad Henry has signed a sweeping immigration Reform bill: House Bill 1804, that its sponsor believeswill go a long way in dealing with the illegal alien problem in the state. House Bill 1804 was passed by overwhelming majorities in both the House and Senate of the Oklahoma Legislature.

it deals with identity theft; it terminates public assistance benefits to illegal; it empowers state and local police to enforce federal immigration laws; and it punishes employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens.


The Oklahoma legislator is pleased the bill he sponsored into law was signed by Governor Henry and believes it will go a long way to curb the illegal immigration problem in the state. "I would remind people that
states are separate sovereigns in our federal system," Terrill points out. "Anyone who doesn't understand that needs to go back and take an American federal government class in college," he says.

As a result of that sovereignty, the Oklahoma lawmaker insists, "We have as much right - in fact, I would argue, a responsibility - to protect our tax payers against that sort of egregious waste, fraud and abuse as the federal government should have a responsibility to protect that international border, but doesn't do that."

Terrill says as long as the federal government refuses to do its job of protecting the international borders of the United States, states like Oklahoma must take action to deal with the problem that is costing taxpayers in the state $200 billion a year in public benefits, law enforcement costs, and other resources.

 

[Ram From Hell]

That's nothing short of absolutely prudent action.:rock:

 

[VIPR PWR]

excellent

 

[includemeout]

Finally now if this tree hugging f***ing state ( cali) can just take the Que

 

[Silverback]

The fine city of Seattle is a City of Sancuary, or how ever the hell it's spelt. They did this even after it was declared illegal.

 

[Gaboon]

I hope this is infectious to the rest of us, Come on Utah let's get the ball rollin'

 

[jelms]

States have every right to self rule and create any laws they deem fit for the state. I just doubt every state will follow action. Most states that depend on immigrant workers for cheap labor will never do this.

Most illegals do the work that us americans won't do. I'm not a supporter of illegals but there are some economic reasons they come here. We indirectly support them, if our fruit doubled in price what would people think:dontknow:

Maybe a change in immigration law is in order:dontknow:

-jeff

 

[sleeper]

The fine city of Seattle is a City of Sancuary, or how ever the hell it's spelt. They did this even after it was declared illegal.

You have got to be kidding me.

 

[Prof]

States have every right to self rule and create any laws they deem fit for the state. I just doubt every state will follow action. Most states that depend on immigrant workers for cheap labor will never do this.

Most illegals do the work that us americans won't do. I'm not a supporter of illegals but there are some economic reasons they come here. We indirectly support them, if our fruit doubled in price what would people think:dontknow:

Maybe a change in immigration law is in order:dontknow:

-jeff

You are fundamentally correct in your analysis...as far as you go. I think the extension of the illustration is that once the price of fruit doubles or triples the market then makes a decision...to continue to buy fruit and less of something else or to not buy fruit...then the actions of the fruit growers has to be determined...do they stop producing fruit...or do they begin to lower their profit margins, look for cost cutting measures, or decide to get out of the fruit business. Often it seems we are not willing to let the market pressures work their magic.

Take the use of illegals as home cleaners. If we started making examples of some of the people who do this, then others would have to make a decision...clean their own home...or pay a higher rate than they currently are and not do something else...

Had a student yesterday (outstanding young Russian immigrant) say that maybe if we did some self analysis of the needs for specific types labor and depended on the law of supply and demand, we could open the immigration doors to those that have the skills we need, admit them and let the supply start to fill and consequently reduce the demand...all of which drives or economy rather than allowing the economy to drive us. While full of pit falls it is an open minded different approach to immigration legislation.

Some union people are going to hate this...but at some point we need to stop all of our protectionist actions and allow market pressures drive our solutions. The constant interjection of solutions on the part of third parties i.e. unions and the government are counter productive long term. See! I am a Republican!

 

[Begood]

I'm in favor of what Oklahoma did, I think more states should do this.

Roy I agree with what you are saying, that would allow the law of supply and demand work better.


Bill.

 

[VIPR PWR]

They are not picking fruit in annandale VA...they are taking it over

 

[Muzzy]

This was sent to me by a Father of friend who works for IRS here in Oklahoma.

Well, it passed! Oklahoma is no longer OK for Illegal Aliens........ It seems that at least one state has decided to take matters into it's own hands, since the Federal Government keeps dragging it's feet on this Illegal alien stuff and even reversing popularopinion on how to handle it.

Oklahoma's Governor Brad Henry has signed a sweeping immigration Reform bill: House Bill 1804, that its sponsor believeswill go a long way in dealing with the illegal alien problem in the state. House Bill 1804 was passed by overwhelming majorities in both the House and Senate of the Oklahoma Legislature.

it deals with identity theft; it terminates public assistance benefits to illegal; it empowers state and local police to enforce federal immigration laws; and it punishes employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens.


The Oklahoma legislator is pleased the bill he sponsored into law was signed by Governor Henry and believes it will go a long way to curb the illegal immigration problem in the state. "I would remind people that
states are separate sovereigns in our federal system," Terrill points out. "Anyone who doesn't understand that needs to go back and take an American federal government class in college," he says.

As a result of that sovereignty, the Oklahoma lawmaker insists, "We have as much right - in fact, I would argue, a responsibility - to protect our tax payers against that sort of egregious waste, fraud and abuse as the federal government should have a responsibility to protect that international border, but doesn't do that."

Terrill says as long as the federal government refuses to do its job of protecting the international borders of the United States, states like Oklahoma must take action to deal with the problem that is costing taxpayers in the state $200 billion a year in public benefits, law enforcement costs, and other resources.

That is awesome. I don't think that would ever happen here in USSI (United Soviet Socialists of Iowa).

You know, I find it ironic that I live in an Ag state and do NOT see any illegals working on the farms here. I know quite a few farmers that use automated equipment for harvesting crops. Even if I had to pay an American citizen more to pick fruit instead of an illegal, I would save so much more from all the social burdens they put on us (welfare, healthcare, crime, drugs, etc). We paid our dues in this country to make it what it is. They have the same right in theirs. If they don't like Mexico, then they should do something about it.

-Muzzy

 

[Prof]

I still am looking for any rational reason to allow illegal people...to do anything in this country? I have huge problems with our immigration laws, they are just wrong in many instances. But as long as they are the law of the land we abide by them or change them. Anything else is anarchy regardless of who advocates it.

I have the same feeling about abortion, weed, voting age, taxes, same sex marriages and a host of other issues. Obey the law, or change the law, bending or parsing the wording is not a solution.

While that is my philosophy, I am human and far from perfect...so occasionally I accelerate with a little too much gusto...please excuse me.

 

[iraqivet01]

You are fundamentally correct in your analysis...as far as you go. I think the extension of the illustration is that once the price of fruit doubles or triples the market then makes a decision...to continue to buy fruit and less of something else or to not buy fruit...then the actions of the fruit growers has to be determined...do they stop producing fruit...or do they begin to lower their profit margins, look for cost cutting measures, or decide to get out of the fruit business. Often it seems we are not willing to let the market pressures work their magic.

Take the use of illegals as home cleaners. If we started making examples of some of the people who do this, then others would have to make a decision...clean their own home...or pay a higher rate than they currently are and not do something else...

Had a student yesterday (outstanding young Russian immigrant) say that maybe if we did some self analysis of the needs for specific types labor and depended on the law of supply and demand, we could open the immigration doors to those that have the skills we need, admit them and let the supply start to fill and consequently reduce the demand...all of which drives or economy rather than allowing the economy to drive us. While full of pit falls it is an open minded different approach to immigration legislation.

Some union people are going to hate this...but at some point we need to stop all of our protectionist actions and allow market pressures drive our solutions. The constant interjection of solutions on the part of third parties i.e. unions and the government are counter productive long term. See! I am a Republican!

I hear what your saying about opening the boards for labor.
The country of Kuwait, which employs thousands of laborors, your can come into their country and work, but you are not allowed to own your a business, or purchase property there. Once you stop working; fired, retire, whatever, you get deported.

Not saying we should model ourselves after Kuwait, but it will keep a better census of who is in the country, and what types were allowing in. If they are illegal, it just that, ILLEGAL.

The employer here in Oklahoma have 90 days from the start of this bill to ensure that the people they are employing are legal. After that they will be fined and could be subjected to prison time.

Getting a driver license is here is not near as easy as it use to be. If you let it expire by one day, you have to retake the test, bring in your birth certificate, Social security card, and wait almost 6 weeks til the back ground checks confirm your a legal, or your a Proper Citizen of the United States.

 

[MR ED's SRT10]

Illegals!

:fight: I have had problems in my nieghborhood with hispanic nieghbors telling me I should sell to a mexican, my house is not for sale. Then i had a mex come on the property stating he was showing the property to prospective buyers when told the place was not for sale they conversed in spanish, little do they know I grew up in Douglas AZ, on the border and with the odds at (3) to one I leveled the playing field in my favor 4 inch .357 mag pistol with that they left I told them they could not move enough mexicans into the area to move me out look how many it took at the ALAMO, and I am better armed then they were. But in California the bleeding hearts are giving it all to illegals!:dontknow: :toilet:

 

[TheSickness]

Where are our Hispanic members at on this ? Why the silence So why are just Mexicans targeted on this thread. My guess is that the people that have posted wouldn't know a Colombian from a Mexican if they were given a handbook. The racial under tones is some of these posts speaks volumes as to who they really are inside Stop watching Lou Dobbs and pull your heads out Educate yourself beyond what you see on the news and read on the internet. While I personally am against illegal immigration and I agree it's a problem, I really can't relate to the hatred :dontknow:

How many of you white Assholes have lost your grape picking job to an illegal ? How many house cleaning contracts have you business owners lost to a rival illegal immigrant cleaning company ? Better yet those of you who sit and post from a place of piety, have used cheaper labor to save of few bucks and not have to pay benefits to an American worker with a family ? This country was built on the backs of immigrants and slavery for a couple hundred years, the problem has always been there, so why the outrage now ?
In actuality it's the Indian people who should be outraged.....Why no voice of advocacy from the crowd....Because it's not the flavor of the week prolly :dontknow: On this site there is Alfredo, Juan, DJ, Eddie, Izzy and a few others that are Mexican and guess what they worked their Asses of to get these trucks, through hard work. Some of you rich cock suckers have no idea what that took Some of you have had Shit handed to you all your life.

Some of you have alot of money and have worked your Ass off to attain it....Kudos to you Blanket statements about immigration are ignorant and further fuel hatred.....Having grown up with Hispanics all my life I find most statements made on these kinds of threads come from pinheaded myopic individuals that don't know their Ass from a hole in the ground.....Just a bunch of sheep that generally expound the hate that their parents taught them and their minds stopped growing in the process.......The only posts on this thread with any sense of something thought out is from Prof.......as usual

 

[Prof]

Illegal immigration is wrong no matter what the background of the individual...we all, as Mikey suggests, focus on our local issues. The issue is a national problem that is our problem not a problem attributable to a nationality or race. We are the non-active, non-demanding, populace that has allowed the illegal immigration situation get to the its current point.

Still waiting for someone to make a good case for allowing any illegal immigrant stay...haven't heard a word...would like to understand the best arguments available...but I haven't even heard a weak reason...

 

[TheSickness]

Illegal immigration is wrong no matter what the background of the individual...we all, as Mikey suggests, focus on our local issues. The issue is a national problem that is our problem not a problem attributable to a nationality or race. We are the non-active, non-demanding, populace that has allowed the illegal immigration situation get to the its current point.

Still waiting for someone to make a good case for allowing any illegal immigrant stay...haven't heard a word...would like to understand the best arguments available...but I haven't even heard a weak reason...

Maybe an illegal will come by and post up then Roy Because this argument is one sided w/o proper representation. Since when did the Land of the Free become isolationist ? You know as well as I that if the Gov really wanted to stop the problem they would....It's all Bullshit Roy, is the problem really worse now, then say in 1984 ? Nope.....same deal....It's being used as a political hot potato is all.....Nothing will be done until the people want it done..........Period :nurse:

 

[ViperJeff]

For me, it seems that there are members of the mexican community that help to create the anger that is sent in there direction. Here in ootah over the summer, the mexican community decided to have a few demonstrations. The two things that caught my attention were:

Mexican flag was used.

Demands for rights under the Constitution.

I haven't noticed to many demonstrations out here in ootah where other nationalities are doing the same thing. Anotherwords, I have not see a flock of Canadians disrupting traffic on State Street waving the Canadian Flag and demanding anything.

I guess I would be more inclinded to listen if the flag they were waiving was the Stars and Stripes. If they would show some due respect for what they were looking to aquire. The other part that just boggles the mind, is the assumption that because they are here, they are granted all the rights of a citizen.

I know a lot of mexican folks here in ootah. A lot of them work at the same place i work. They are screened vigorously to verify their legal status to work, which include work visa's etc. The part that I found interesting. When I started, they did the same thing to me. The same paperwork, background checks, fingure prints, the whole nine yards. I didn't matter what your ethnic background was......period.

So why do we just look at the mexican population, well, because there waiving the wrong flag.

If all business's had to do what i had to do, to get employed. It may not solve the problem, but it would change it from a mexican problem, to, an ilegal alien problem. Then we could look at this the right way, the only way.

So if Oklahoma is looking at this based on someones legal right to be here in the US, then I think there on the right track. If they are looking at a single community, it's destine for failure.

Good Day

Jeff

 

[Prof]

and I guess as long as employeers want cheap labor that puts more money in the pockets of the owners the demands for change will be muted and amount to nothing.

Actions such as the one that started this thread may ultimately bring about change...but not unless the Federal Government also wants to change the status quo. Our current administration has no desire to change immigration law.

Would really love to get some of our immigrant brothers here to participate. I want to learn, but it is so tough when we only hear one side.