CAT (caterpillar) oil filter

Rebeltaz83 said:
From my research, Fram is owned by PGI NorthStar (parent company premium guard) based out of Memphis. They acquired Fram from bankruptcy along with 12 other aftermarket manufacturers including autolite, trico and several others. Amsoil outsources to Donaldson and champion laboratories…. Donaldson is also sourced to CAT in partnership. Is Amsoil a rebranded CAT filter? Hmmm. I think I’m gonna start cutting open some of my own filters and see how much metal they collect compared to some of the smaller CAT filters I pull off various equipment. Compare the internals. Seems how I’m changing the oil on my truck today, I’ll start with the K&N first. I do know Fram had glue issues with the cardboard inside the filter coming apart and starving engines of oil. I know K&N has the same issue as well, but from what I have read it’s been taken care of. I do not know when Fram was sold so I don’t know if the cardboard/adhesive issue has been resolved in sure it probably has as this was years ago as well may possibly be why they went bankrupt…. Again I have no idea. Further research might tell. If any of the info. I find is wrong please politely enlighten me lol. I hate receiving wrong info, and I do NOT want to spread false info around like a Jackass.
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Yeah who knows what will happen from bankruptcy, https://bobistheoilguy.com/ is still the main source for all things oil related. I *think* Fram canceled the Titanium line (Advanced Auto exclusive) and Synthetic Endurance is a Walmart exclusive, but has been pulled from some stores. I can still order Synthetic Endurance through Walmart.com though.

There's a new version of Viper filters 5037836AC released in the past few months. I'm not sure if they've changed anything on the inside of filters. 5037836AB can still be found lots of places.
 
_JB_ said:
Yeah who knows what will happen from bankruptcy, https://bobistheoilguy.com/ is still the main source for all things oil related. I *think* Fram canceled the Titanium line (Advanced Auto exclusive) and Synthetic Endurance is a Walmart exclusive, but has been pulled from some stores. I can still order Synthetic Endurance through Walmart.com though.

There's a new version of Viper filters 5037836AC released in the past few months. I'm not sure if they've changed anything on the inside of filters. 5037836AB can still be found lots of places.
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I just got two 836AB filters from Amazon today. They updated something if it’s now AC. I’m always seeing on FB about how others can’t get the 836AB even from dealers it’s on BO. Some are die hard and have to have the 836 or it’s the end of the world lol. Mobil 1 makes a great filter, and oil. Ams oil is good, very expensive. Used to used 0W50 signature series in my ex wife’s GT500. Expensive oil change, twice a year. I’ve always been more of a Valvoline guy. But I do run Shell rotella 15w40 diesel oil in all my small engines and motorcycles. This isn’t the first time bobistheoilguy has popped up lol. Very informative site for sure.
 
rottenronnie said:
Oil and Filters is always a popular topic. I'm glad to see people jumping in with their own experiences.
That makes it seem like an active forum again.
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I was surprised by all the responses it’s gotten. I like to learn what others use, and horror stories. I used to use Fram filters years ago late 90s very early 2000s and just got away from them for no particular reason. I know old timers that swear by them, never had a bad thing to say about them. But after the horror stories and seeing them opened up, I’ll never use them again. But old info. Maybe Fram has stepped up and gotten away from the cardboard and paper element. Companies being bought and sold, changing suppliers, advances in technology. What has changed and what hasn’t over the years. Can’t never learn too much. But it’s the atmosphere that mages it enjoyable, I’ve been on forums that is all name calling and nothing being resolved, and I’ve been on forums where we all learn from each other and problems get resolved. Solving the problem and learning is what I find enjoyable having fun along the way is a plus.
 
Well said!

The big one for me is to use quality oil and don't keep it in there too long. I've never much cared about the oil filters, because I don't give them much of a workout anyway as they aren't on there for long. And I use a well designed catch can which captures even more nasties.

WIX has worked fine for me over the past 58+ years of doing this stuff.

As long as the can is strong enough to keep the oil INSIDE the engine. :)

As for Forums, people often disagree, which is fine as long as it remains on the productive side.

I try to be thorough in most responses (maybe to the point of seeming "preachy").
But it's a public forum so use/agree with the info or don't, it doesn't matter to me.
 
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rottenronnie said:
Oil and Filters is always a popular topic. I'm glad to see people jumping in with their own experiences.
That makes it seem like an active forum again.
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Is that what 710 on the cap means??? lol lol
 
Rebeltaz83 said:
I was surprised by all the responses it’s gotten. I like to learn what others use, and horror stories. I used to use Fram filters years ago late 90s very early 2000s and just got away from them for no particular reason. I know old timers that swear by them, never had a bad thing to say about them. But after the horror stories and seeing them opened up, I’ll never use them again. But old info. Maybe Fram has stepped up and gotten away from the cardboard and paper element. Companies being bought and sold, changing suppliers, advances in technology. What has changed and what hasn’t over the years. Can’t never learn too much. But it’s the atmosphere that mages it enjoyable, I’ve been on forums that is all name calling and nothing being resolved, and I’ve been on forums where we all learn from each other and problems get resolved. Solving the problem and learning is what I find enjoyable having fun along the way is a plus.
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My nephew runs a reputable shop and he told me he won't use Fram because of the innards but he does use MANN so maybe they are worth looking into?
 
Wifey said:
My nephew runs a reputable shop and he told me he won't use Fram because of the innards but he does use MANN so maybe they are worth looking into?
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Mann was in that YouTube video JB posted. It did good by their tests, seeing the flow rate, debris percentage and the insides, Mann does look like a good quality filter. I’ve seen them around, and put a few on. They have a good solid body, and for a filter has some girth to it. I put a few on (no pun intended haha) a man lift. The bypass actually makes sense to me.
rottenronnie said:
Well said!

The big one for me is to use quality oil and don't keep it in there too long. I've never much cared about the oil filters, because I don't give them much of a workout anyway as they aren't on there for long. And I use a well designed catch can which captures even more nasties.

WIX has worked fine for me over the past 58+ years of doing this stuff.

As long as the can is strong enough to keep the oil INSIDE the engine. :)

As for Forums, people often disagree, which is fine as long as it remains on the productive side.

I try to be thorough in most responses (maybe to the point of seeming "preachy").
But it's a public forum so use/agree with the info or don't, it doesn't matter to me.
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Wix is a good filter, I may be mistaken I’m pretty sure the mage the NAPA filters, or they used to years ago. They used to bottle Valvoline oil and sell it cheaper…. I miss $1.99 a quart. $30 for an oil change at jiffy lube is almost a steal anymore, most places it’s up to 5 quarts. I don’t know many cars that take 5qts anymore lol. The 5.7, and 6.4 I had were 7qts. , the 8.3 is 10ths. My Indian motorcycle takes 5qts yes I do agree on the filter. As long as it keeps the oil inside. Any filter any brand will stop working once they get full of debris and will bypass…. Engine failure no matter what. Heat and contamination number one oil killers. Regular changes with filters should be no problems. Less quality oil just needs to be changed sooner. Same with filters.
 
rottenronnie said:
Do your bikes have wet clutches??
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Yes. Never had a problem using shell rotella. Tried Valvoline motorcycle oil made it 10 miles couldn’t shift to 2nd, didn’t want 3rd either but with a little throttle and slipping the clutch I got it to go in gear. Got back home drained the Valvoline and put shell back in, shifted like a dream lol. It was an oil used by allot of riders that swear by it, I have to jump on that band wagon after my experience with it. It’s not too slippery for the clutches but still lubes and cools the engine. I run K&N oil filter on those, no problems yet. I run Donaldson on my small engines. All get changed once a year. But I do check the oil often, at every gas tank fill up.
 
Rebeltaz83 said:
Yes. Never had a problem using shell rotella. Tried Valvoline motorcycle oil made it 10 miles couldn’t shift to 2nd, didn’t want 3rd either but with a little throttle and slipping the clutch I got it to go in gear. Got back home drained the Valvoline and put shell back in, shifted like a dream lol. It was an oil used by allot of riders that swear by it, I have to jump on that band wagon after my experience with it. It’s not too slippery for the clutches but still lubes and cools the engine. I run K&N oil filter on those, no problems yet. I run Donaldson on my small engines. All get changed once a year. But I do check the oil often, at every gas tank fill up.
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Okay thanks.
I have a heavy Kawasaki V-Twin Cruiser (2053 cc) and Kawasaki oil is getting harder to come by and is now stupid expensive.
I've often thought to try 5 liters of Rotella in the Kawi.
It worked fine in my Harley when I tried the Rotella way back when.
 
rottenronnie said:
Okay thanks.
I have a heavy Kawasaki V-Twin Cruiser (2053 cc) and Kawasaki oil is getting harder to come by and is now stupid expensive.
I've often thought to try 5 liters of Rotella in the Kawi.
It worked fine in my Harley.
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Nice. I used shell in my 97 Yamaha Vmax 1200 then in my second gen. 1700 (one I used the Valvoline in) bought brand new in 2018 so it was still new when I tried the Valvoline. Now I use it in my Indian pursuit. Need to change the oil in it…. Haven’t had much time to ride with moving, mowing, working, and remodeling lol. Was going to change the oil in the truck today didn’t make it to AZ to get oil ugh. Had to help move some furniture for a friend of my wife’s that we gave her, just got out of an abusive relationship and she literally had nothing. Took the youngest back to his dads, went shopping, got back in time to grill sausage and brats, now it’s shower time and relaxing before bed lol. Time sure does fly.
 
Rebeltaz83 said:
Mann was in that YouTube video JB posted. It did good by their tests, seeing the flow rate, debris percentage and the insides, Mann does look like a good quality filter. I’ve seen them around, and put a few on. They have a good solid body, and for a filter has some girth to it. I put a few on (no pun intended haha) a man lift. The bypass actually makes sense to me.

Wix is a good filter, I may be mistaken I’m pretty sure the mage the NAPA filters, or they used to years ago. They used to bottle Valvoline oil and sell it cheaper…. I miss $1.99 a quart. $30 for an oil change at jiffy lube is almost a steal anymore, most places it’s up to 5 quarts. I don’t know many cars that take 5qts anymore lol. The 5.7, and 6.4 I had were 7qts. , the 8.3 is 10ths. My Indian motorcycle takes 5qts yes I do agree on the filter. As long as it keeps the oil inside. Any filter any brand will stop working once they get full of debris and will bypass…. Engine failure no matter what. Heat and contamination number one oil killers. Regular changes with filters should be no problems. Less quality oil just needs to be changed sooner. Same with filters.
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I put 8.5 in my 04 i thought 10 was overfull??
 
Wifey said:
I put 8.5 in my 04 i thought 10 was overfull??
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It could be. I only changed it once and looked it up I saw 10 earlier today lol. I’ll go a quart at a time after 5 And stop at the full line. I’m still used to 7 from the hemis I’ve had over the years. New learning curve with the V10 but I’ll get it after a little bit. I’m just glad it’s not 20 gallons like some of the loaders I service bahahaha
 
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