9/11 A sEt-Up? movie "Loose ChANge"

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I just saw this movie "Loose change" which is a documentary about the the events that took place on 9/11. After watching this it kind of answered some of questions that i had that were left unanswered on that tragic day. Just curious if anyone here has seen it. It has alot information regarding the planes and other stuff. Wonderin if the guys that work with planes(i.e. SIlverbaCK, 10boom, umm?who else?) could comment on the info presented in this movie..Everyone plz post your thoughts on this
 
TheSickness said:
I have seen it and it is Utter Bullshit Ferrari :burnout:

REally???...There was a lot shit that puzzled me that day, the docmentary just made me realize that i was right. There are somethings out of place. I mean doesnt it just seem a bit effin odd that the tallest buildings composed of steel collapsed the same way within the hour? fcuk even demolitions dont go that well... i cant wait to ask silverback some questions regarding fuel used in the planes. I wonder how hot that fuel burns gets to and what the melting point of the steel is. i hope he can answer some of them, i know he wont really be able to discuss anything regarding the aircraft(due to 9/11)
 
I haven't seen it but I have seen other things like it. One was claiming that there was no plane that hit the pentagon because there was no wreckage. I have seen plane crashes when there wasn't anything left. One we had to x-ray what we thought was a body and it ended up being a life raft. I don't even bother with those movies now.
 
FlyingLow said:
I haven't seen it but I have seen other things like it. One was claiming that there was no plane that hit the pentagon because there was no wreckage. I have seen plane crashes when there wasn't anything left. One we had to x-ray what we thought was a body and it ended up being a life raft. I don't even bother with those movies now.

Actually they bring up a good point regarding the crash at the pentagon. It's understandable that there could be no wreckage left but the intial damages to the pent' are very consistent to the damages the towers took. The pentagon only had 16ft diameter hole, it did not have anysigns of where the wings of an aircrat would of hit or signs of where the engines which are like 9ft wide an weigh 6t0ns( i think).. would have colided...thats the kind of stuff that didnt make sense to me then and still doesnt now..
 
It's sad when people buy into this utter BS. Anything to make a buck, right? It's just so very sad. All you do when you support this nonsense is denigrate the lives the victims of 911 led. Hell, not only them but those that went to fight after the attacks.
 
FerrariTruck said:
REally???...There was a lot shit that puzzled me that day, the docmentary just made me realize that i was right. There are somethings out of place. I mean doesnt it just seem a bit effin odd that the tallest buildings composed of steel collapsed the same way within the hour? fcuk even demolitions dont go that well... i cant wait to ask silverback some questions regarding fuel used in the planes. I wonder how hot that fuel burns gets to and what the melting point of the steel is. i hope he can answer some of them, i know he wont really be able to discuss anything regarding the aircraft(due to 9/11)
As far as the construction of high rises goes. The I beams are coated with a material called mono-coat. It is designed to protect the steel from heat caused by fire. If it is somehow removed, Blast or knocked off the beams have no protection. The heat now causes the steel to lose its integrity. In other words it gets like spaghetti. So once it colapses it's like a deck of cards. Hope this helps somewhat.


J.R.
 
thats fucked up to even think you would entertain the idea that 9/11 would be set up, or have anything to do with us. It was a terrorist attack. Ive been over in Iraq and I guarantee that it wasnt bullshit. Our gov't would not kill 2500 plus innocent people just to make a "buck". If you feel that way you need to hand in your green card, adn go to Mexico or some shit...somewhere where you can eat, sleep, and shit in the same place!

SEUH!
 
Yeah guys, this is a tough sensitive subject but I'll give ya my 2 cents on it. I personally have not seen the movie that you're talking about, but I know the jist of it, and you're right it is compelling, and the movie does exactly what it's intended to do, it gets you thinking. I think the biggest issue with it, is that it's all speculation,and most of it unfounded.

If you look closely at the events around 9/11, you're gonna find alot of open ended questions like, whether or not, a jetliner went into the pentagon, why did the twin towers come down so easliy?, what about the mysterious small white jet that was supposedly seen circling the crash site right after flight 93 went down in PA? I can tell you from a factual standpoint that a 757 did in fact go into the Pentagon, and there was harldy anything left of it due to the velocity and the angle of the impact. Supposedly that plane was less than 10 feet off the ground and level (not diving) when it hit. It also hit at a VERY high speed. This is all public knowledge and you can see the video on the internet. JP-8 which is what we use by majority in the Military, has a very high flash point, and has to get extremely hot to burn. You can literally throw a cigarette into a bucket of JP-8 and nothing will happen, so you can imagine what it does when it burns, VERY HOT!!

I have a BS in Professional Aeronautics with a minor in Safety and one thing I learned in school was that crash investigation is a science to fullest degree. You can't look at a crash site and say "How can this be a crash site, there's no pieces, it doesn't look right, there's no bodies etc...etc..." so when so called "experts" make a hypothesis on what happened, I don't buy it unless they have all the facts, and that's where the problem lies. No one that doesn't need to know what really happened on 9/11 can make a true call on it. They can speculate all day.

Now for the devils advocate. Is there stuff that the public doesn't know about 9/11...sure there is, there's alot, but the people who need to know, do know. I think people forget to realize how much goes on behind the scenes to keep America the big kid on the block. Do you think we play completely fair in a world of cheaters and criminals. Hell no, we can't, and that's how it is.

I can tell you that from what I know, in a nutshell, a group of guys from all over the middle east hopped on some planes and murdered thousands of innocent people. That's enough for me man, because on Oct 7 2001 I was pumping a bunch of gas into a B-1B bomber over the Indian Ocean and those guys were about an hour away from starting a little bomb dropping practice called "Operation Enduring Freedom". Here's a pic from about an hour before the war started. I was there man, and it felt damn good!!!
 

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10boom said:
Yeah guys, this is a tough sensitive subject but I'll give ya my 2 cents on it. I personally have not seen the movie that you're talking about, but I know the jist of it, and you're right it is compelling, and the movie does exactly what it's intended to do, it gets you thinking. I think the biggest issue with it, is that it's all speculation,and most of it unfounded.

If you look closely at the events around 9/11, you're gonna find alot of open ended questions like, whether or not, a jetliner went into the pentagon, why did the twin towers come down so easliy?, what about the mysterious small white jet that was supposedly seen circling the crash site right after flight 93 went down in PA? I can tell you from a factual standpoint that a 757 did in fact go into the Pentagon, and there was harldy anything left of it due to the velocity and the angle of the impact. Supposedly that plane was less than 10 feet off the ground and level (not diving) when it hit. It also hit at a VERY high speed. This is all public knowledge and you can see the video on the internet. JP-8 which is what we use by majority in the Military, has a very high flash point, and has to get extremely hot to burn. You can literally throw a cigarette into a bucket of JP-8 and nothing will happen, so you can imagine what it does when it burns, VERY HOT!!

I have a BS in Professional Aeronautics with a minor in Safety and one thing I learned in school was that crash investigation is a science to fullest degree. You can't look at a crash site and say "How can this be a crash site, there's no pieces, it doesn't look right, there's no bodies etc...etc..." so when so called "experts" make a hypothesis on what happened, I don't buy it unless they have all the facts, and that's where the problem lies. No one that doesn't need to know what really happened on 9/11 can make a true call on it. They can speculate all day.

Now for the devils advocate. Is there stuff that the public doesn't know about 9/11...sure there is, there's alot, but the people who need to know, do know. I think people forget to realize how much goes on behind the scenes to keep America the big kid on the block. Do you think we play completely fair in a world of cheaters and criminals. Hell no, we can't, and that's how it is.

I can tell you that from what I know, in a nutshell, a group of guys from all over the middle east hopped on some planes and murdered thousands of innocent people. That's enough for me man, because on Oct 7 2001 I was pumping a bunch of gas into a B-1B bomber over the Indian Ocean and those guys were about an hour away from starting a little bomb dropping practice called "Operation Enduring Freedom". Here's a pic from about an hour before the war started. I was there man, and it felt damn good!!!
I'm with you man. Awsome pic.

J.R.
 
10boom said:
Yeah man, they're bad ass!
Had to call for a air strike in the Nam. 500 lb'ers & napalm. Ahh, Just take's your breath away. I can only imagine what these boys do.

J.R.
 
10boom said:
Yeah guys, this is a tough sensitive subject but I'll give ya my 2 cents on it. I personally have not seen the movie that you're talking about, but I know the jist of it, and you're right it is compelling, and the movie does exactly what it's intended to do, it gets you thinking. I think the biggest issue with it, is that it's all speculation,and most of it unfounded.

If you look closely at the events around 9/11, you're gonna find alot of open ended questions like, whether or not, a jetliner went into the pentagon, why did the twin towers come down so easliy?, what about the mysterious small white jet that was supposedly seen circling the crash site right after flight 93 went down in PA? I can tell you from a factual standpoint that a 757 did in fact go into the Pentagon, and there was harldy anything left of it due to the velocity and the angle of the impact. Supposedly that plane was less than 10 feet off the ground and level (not diving) when it hit. It also hit at a VERY high speed. This is all public knowledge and you can see the video on the internet. JP-8 which is what we use by majority in the Military, has a very high flash point, and has to get extremely hot to burn. You can literally throw a cigarette into a bucket of JP-8 and nothing will happen, so you can imagine what it does when it burns, VERY HOT!!

I have a BS in Professional Aeronautics with a minor in Safety and one thing I learned in school was that crash investigation is a science to fullest degree. You can't look at a crash site and say "How can this be a crash site, there's no pieces, it doesn't look right, there's no bodies etc...etc..." so when so called "experts" make a hypothesis on what happened, I don't buy it unless they have all the facts, and that's where the problem lies. No one that doesn't need to know what really happened on 9/11 can make a true call on it. They can speculate all day.

Now for the devils advocate. Is there stuff that the public doesn't know about 9/11...sure there is, there's alot, but the people who need to know, do know. I think people forget to realize how much goes on behind the scenes to keep America the big kid on the block. Do you think we play completely fair in a world of cheaters and criminals. Hell no, we can't, and that's how it is.

I can tell you that from what I know, in a nutshell, a group of guys from all over the middle east hopped on some planes and murdered thousands of innocent people. That's enough for me man, because on Oct 7 2001 I was pumping a bunch of gas into a B-1B bomber over the Indian Ocean and those guys were about an hour away from starting a little bomb dropping practice called "Operation Enduring Freedom". Here's a pic from about an hour before the war started. I was there man, and it felt damn good!!!

Thank you 10boom , this is exactly the kind of info I was looking for. I was unaware that there is actual video of the plane going into the pentagon. I reccomend you watch the video. The video is composed of the same images from the news that day and various interviews with fireman on the scene. There is nothing made up. however, Its funny to me how some people are either to stupid or scared to think outside the box. Call it BS not because you dont want believe it could been setup but because you've actually looked at all the information and then have actual knowledge to go off to claim as an attack. It makes me angry as just as anyone else to think that americans were killed by terrorists, it pisses me off even more to realize that various men and women in the military including four of my best friends from highschool have lost their life by our govt. actions.
 
lightningKILLER said:
thats fucked up to even think you would entertain the idea that 9/11 would be set up, or have anything to do with us. It was a terrorist attack. Ive been over in Iraq and I guarantee that it wasnt bullshit. Our gov't would not kill 2500 plus innocent people just to make a "buck". If you feel that way you need to hand in your green card, adn go to Mexico or some shit...somewhere where you can eat, sleep, and shit in the same place!

SEUH!

By the way how do i put idiots on the ignore?
 
Don't sweat it man, everybody it entitled to their opinion, that's the good thing about being American; the bad part is that you can't shoot them for it.:rock: I have lost a good friend in Afghanistan, so I know what you mean about that, but what is going on in Iraq right now has absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. That's a whole different bag of chips, but that's just my opinion dude.
 
10boom said:
Don't sweat it man, everybody it entitled to their opinion, that's the good thing about being American; the bad part is that you can't shoot them for it.:rock: I have lost a good friend in Afghanistan, so I know what you mean about that, but what is going on in Iraq right now has absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. That's a whole different bag of chips, but that's just my opinion dude.

Hey let me know where i can see video of the plane goin into pentagon. I've done some searches and i cant seem to find it.
 
FerrariTruck said:
Hey let me know where i can see video of the plane goin into pentagon. I've done some searches and i cant seem to find it.

There was a bunch of that conspericy stuff on YouTube. Some of them had the survailance video as "evidance". But, I am not sure if it was doctored or not. Do a search on there for "9/11".... It will bring up a bunch of shit.
 
Compelling maybe, truthful is another question. Videos that are circulating about the internet are all folly. I can assure you that our Gov did not intentionally blow up anything, for profit. That statement is ludicrous at best.
You will always have conspiracy theorists that proclaim a cover up or try and generate sensationalism to suit their agendas. Believe what you will but from where I stand this video and all the Commie blogers that have a opinion, and decide to share it with people no matter the intellectual shortcomings they have are all simply full of Shit. We were attacked, we lost many innocent lives and we will get it I the future as well. Because of who we are and what we stand for. Like it or not we are the big kid on the block and it's always the small drunk Bastard that feels he has something to prove.

The attack on the Pentagon was carried out by a plane and not a missile . Flight 93 did crash in Pennsylvania as stated. The World Trade center was attacked by planes as well. These people are fanatical and brilliant in their planning and they hit us in our soft spot.......Freedom of travel. I say drop a few nukes and they will finally listen to rational thinking. Until we hit em hard they will still do what they do and we are powerless to stop them. We try but we have to many Liberal thinking Boneheads that think our rights as citizens should be extended to them as well...they don't play fair and neither should we. you gotta get dirty and down to their level...Public be headings and nuclear day dreams for them all.........:D Sick out :2in1:
 
I've lost all reasoning with this 9/11 deal. I've spent a ton of time looking at the nay-sayer's and the others who in turn say nay to them. It ends up in a big circle and everyone starts to contradict themselves.

In my honest opinion I do believe there is a truth that no one in the general public knows, there are too many questions.. The World Trade Centers were made to withstand plane attacks and yet they succomb to it? The people carrying the tarp away from the Pentagon, was that seriously plane wreakage... wouldn't it be much bigger?

But it's almost been so long that it's just better to move on I believe, we need to answer the biggest question now..

Iraq, Why? North Korea is and was at that time a bigger nuclear threat.. so don't say WMD's,,, it's Oil and nothing else.
 

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