BILL OF NON-RIGHTS

[SANCHOBA]

this pretty much is how i feel! (i didn't write this)


"We the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the blessings of debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great-grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt ridden, delusional, and other liberal bed-wetters. We hold these truths to be self evident: that a whole lot of people are confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim they require a Bill of NON-Rights."

ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV, or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.

ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc.; but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.

ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful; do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy.

ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes. (This one is my pet peeve...get an education and go to work....don't expect everyone else to take care of you!)

ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in public health care.

ARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair.

ARTICLE VII: You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob, cheat, or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big screen color TV or a life of leisure.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job. All of us sure want you to have a job, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful. (AMEN!)

ARTICLE IX: You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to PURSUE happiness, which by the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an over abundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.

ARTICLE X: This is an English speaking country. We don't care where you are from, English is our language. Learn it or go back to wherever you came from! (Lastly....)

ARTICLE XI: You do not have the right to change our country's history or heritage. This country was founded on the belief in one true God. And yet, you are given the freedom to believe in any religion, any faith, or no faith at all; with no fear of persecution. The phrase IN GOD WE TRUST is part of our heritage and history, and if you are uncomfortable with it, TOUGH

 

[Prof]

As the resident out of the closet liberal...I like all of the issues with one tiny amendment. I do think that every American should be entitled to free primary health care. And that could be accomplished easily with the consent of physicians.

So if you folks have some convoluted perspective of liberals...choke my opinions down...

 

[HOT RAM]

As the resident out of the closet liberal...I like all of the issues with one tiny amendment. I do think that every American should be entitled to free primary health care. And that could be accomplished easily with the consent of physicians.

So if you folks have some convoluted perspective of liberals...choke my opinions down...

Have to disagree with you there.The thought that it is "free" is fundamentally flawed.SOMEONE had to pay for it.The government isn't some giant money producing entity.It simple tranfers what it collects from the taxes it imposes on those too honest to not pay or too dumb to cheat or too poor to afford lawyers and analysts to figure out how to not pay.

 

[Prof]

OK, I buy your point...because "I didn't have sexual relations with that woman..." we can argue semantic differential all day...

My point is that I believe that primary health care is a right not a privilege, and that good primary care is the best way to avoid huge expense due to undetected and untreated minor health problems.

Freedom isn't free either there is a cost to everything, I just think that primary care is a cost that society must absorb, as is incarceration, law enforcement, etc.

 

[HOT RAM]

I would like to recommend a book for you.Written in the 1700's I think.By a French author named Frederic Bastiat."The Law" is an excellent book on socialism.We are quickly moving in that direction.

I see people all the time that say they can't afford health insurance(health care),yet they have new cars,new homes,all the latest cell phones,computers,games.
They are never without beer or cigarettes and yet they can't afford health insurance ? It is simply misplaced priorities.

All the money that has been wasted in the middle east could have paid for a better healthcare system.All the money wasted on the stupid space program could have paid for it.Our governmment also has misplaced priorities,it seems.

I am paying all the taxes that I care to pay.I have no desire to pay more for ANYTHING !! Not for so-called Homeland Security,not for government healthcare,not for welfare,not for anything.


Yes,it is a shame that people are suffering and dying.I feel for them.I wish the government would act more responsibly with what we are giving it and use it more wisely.I guess I just do not have enough compassion to lower my already low standard of living to pay more taxes.

I am not trying to change your mind or opinion,just sharing how I feel .Resident liberal or not ,you are a very smart and cool guy.

 

[Scrambler1]

I'm with HotRam on this one. LOTS of people who don't have health insurance don't because they'd rather spend the money elsewhere. I work for more than 1/2 the year to pay the government and the remainder is for me. No one will ever convince me that I need to give up more of my income to support others "rights." The population and the government need to get their priorities in order and do away with some of these other "rights" before I'll view free healthcare as one.

I don't mean to sound insensative, I feel for those who suffer illness and for the families of those who die, but I've seen in my family the attitude that our current system breeds. I've had relatives who have lived off the system and off my family. One in particular won't go back to work because he makes more money on welfare with free housing, free healthcare and free food than he could ever earn in a job. Instead the welfare is spent on cigarettes and booze. People do fall on hard times and need a way to get back on their feet but free free free has become a lifestyle to many. I view free healthcare for all as another permanent instituition to subsidize laziness.

Joe

 

[SrtBrad]

I agree with Hot Ram and Scrambler on most points however there are a few exceptions in my opinion.

Free primary health care should be offered to select age groups like kids under 18 or people going to school full time, senior citizens, disabled people, and military personnel just to name a few.

 

[Prof]

I disagree with all of the above statements except the ones about me being "smart and cool". I would like to add that I am handsome, irresistible, talented and hung like a horse...

Now, that we have all of that out of the way...

I have to go and clean house and do the laundry.

 

[HOT RAM]

It would be great if "free" health care were available to all legal United States citizens.

It would be great if "free" housing were available to all who wanted or needed it.

It would be great if "free" food were available to all the hungry.

That would be great.All of it.BUT,the only way to achieve it is to become a socialist/communist country.You take all the wealth and re-distribute it equally.What a great idea ! No lower class,middle class,upper class.Just all citizens on an equal level.

Wait ! That didn't work out so well for Russia did it ?In fact it has never worked anywhere.It demoralizes everyone and makes life miserable for all.You have no incentive to work hard and achieve much because you know that you will never benefit directly from your effort.

Rights are just that.No person has the right to the fruits of anothers labors.Not for housing,healthcare,or food.

You have the right to your life,the right to live it as you see fit,and the right to your own property.That's it.If any of your rights infringe on another persons life,liberty or property,then it ceases to be right.That is why we are supposed to have laws.To ensure my rights and your rights and to decide in the case of conflict who has the more compelling right.

All other rights derive from these three basic rights.You should have the right to ACCESS healthcare,but NOT to "free" healthcare itself.The only way to give "free" healthcare is to infringe on my right to keep what is earned by me.

While a grand and noble idea,it is not a right.

 

[TheSickness]

I will go one step further. I say any person who has served our country during the time of war should get free health care for life....Speaking as someone with considerable experience in this area.....Our veterans are not taken care of adequately

 

[Prof]

The operative word in my post was "primary"...the benefits to society as a whole are acknowledged by most who understand health care finance. We all gain by having a population that is health educated, afforded early diagnosis, and treatment at the lowest level of acute care possible. With a proactive open primary health care system, a vast majority of illnesses can be detected early enough to allow minimal invasive procedures, and in many cases non-invasive procedures to correct the situation.

Sorry I don't buy the domino concept that you present above...I think there are lots of social programs that are valuable but not an inevitable path to socialism. Academic scholarships are an example...Pell Grants, energy subsidies for the elderly, Medicare, Social Security, SBA loans, Fanny Mae, there are lots of examples.

And to address Mikey's issue of the Veterans Administration...wow, what a good example. Agent Orange has been a scourge on my life, but I cannot get the Veterans Administration to do anything...because I cannot prove where I was because there are no records of where I was sent, how many times I was there, or how long I was "on the ground". So yup, free care for vets!

 

[includemeout]

And if our Taxe Dollars were not being squandered........................
Our Emergency rooms would be accesable to us, the Us Citizen:rock:
Not shut down because of free care you and I can not get


THIS IS MY COUNTRY!

And, because I make this statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration!!!
YOU ARE WELCOME HERE IN MY COUNTRY.
Welcome to come through like everyone else has.
Get a sponsor! Get a place to lay your head!
Get a job! Live by OUR rules!
Pay YOUR taxes!
And
LEARN THE LANGUAGE LIKE ALL OTHER IMMIGRANTS HAVE IN THE PAST!!!
AND PLEASE DON'T DEMAND THAT WE HAND OVER OUR
LIFETIME SAVINGS OF SOCIAL SECURITY FUNDS TO YOU
TO MAKE UP FOR ''YOUR'' LOSSES.

If you don't want to share this for fear of offending someone, then YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM!

When will AMERICAN'S STOP giving away THEIR RIGHTS???
We've gone so far the other way ... bent over backwards not to offend anyone. But it seems no one cares about the AMERICAN
that's being offended!

WAKE UP America !!!

 

[TheSickness]

And if our Taxe Dollars were not being squandered........................
Our Emergency rooms would be accesable to us, the Us Citizen:rock:
Not shut down because of free care you and I can not get


THIS IS MY COUNTRY!

And, because I make this statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration!!!
YOU ARE WELCOME HERE IN MY COUNTRY.
Welcome to come through like everyone else has.
Get a sponsor! Get a place to lay your head!
Get a job! Live by OUR rules!
Pay YOUR taxes!
And
LEARN THE LANGUAGE LIKE ALL OTHER IMMIGRANTS HAVE IN THE PAST!!!
AND PLEASE DON'T DEMAND THAT WE HAND OVER OUR
LIFETIME SAVINGS OF SOCIAL SECURITY FUNDS TO YOU
TO MAKE UP FOR ''YOUR'' LOSSES.

If you don't want to share this for fear of offending someone, then YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM!

When will AMERICAN'S STOP giving away THEIR RIGHTS???
We've gone so far the other way ... bent over backwards not to offend anyone. But it seems no one cares about the AMERICAN
that's being offended!

WAKE UP America !!!

Well.............That should start some Shit....................

 

[includemeout]

Well.............That should start some Shit....................

Not really intended to, however it is one of the largest contributing Problems

 

[HOT RAM]

We will probably never agree on this issue,Roy.

I stand by my belief that the government owes neither me nor anyone else health care,education,or other social programs.I firmly believe that if you can't take care of yourself ,you are a burden on society.It is not society's obligation to care for you.Should they do it from a sense of compassion,that is highly commendable.However it should not be required (through taxation).

Our vets should have a better system.They have sacrificed and earned it.Most (but certainly not all) people that really need free health care have never contributed anything useful to society.

I work hard for a living and have from the age of 14.I have a huge bill that I am trying to pay off from when I didn't have insurance.It is my responsibility and I accept it.I now have insurance and it costs a lot.
I will never believe that it is anything other than our own personal responsibility to provide for our own needs.

 

[Prof]

Not really intended to, however it is one of the largest contributing Problems

I don't see many problems with Jerry's rant...really sounds pretty rational and fair to me...

Agreement is not the objective...and should not be...I do strongly believe in the concept that different opinions well stated contribute to the knowledge base of all...and that is wonderful...even if all I learn is that your positions are starkly different from mine.

But the concept of everyone being on their own works only in a perfect world. There are those, who through no fault of their own that need society's help. I don't have to list them you are aware of the groups...the devil is in the detail.

A severely deformed child that must be institutionalized in most instances must become a ward of the state...but at what point does it become necessary? For some family's it may be possible to manage the expense and requirements, for others it is impossible...when is it impossible becomes the issue. If a person is in a vegetative state do we just set that person aside until they pass, I think not in our society. Once again at what point is it acceptable to society to assume the burden...

Anyway, I do enjoy the discourse...it keeps my mind active. Now if I could just get someone to solve my catch can problems!!! This is fun...I hope you feel the same way.

 

[HOT RAM]

I also enjoy a good debate.I just hope everyone who joins in can keep it as civil as it has been so far.

 

[includemeout]

I also enjoy a good debate.I just hope everyone who joins in can keep it as civil as it has been so far.

Me to , there are just so many factors involved in this equation. I feel all avenues need to be explored to come up with a solution that will lead this country in the right direction.

This (to be found) solution,IMHO, first and foremost, it (the solution) must put the American Citizen at the Top of the list.

No free handouts , allthough some folks will need help. I believe it is incumbant upon a civilized soceity to provide for the poor, old, widowed,and disabled that can not provide for themselves.

With this said, we ( as a nation ) need to step back and clean up our own backyard before taking on the whole worlds bagage. We have plenty to do right here at home. My .03 cents

 

[HOT RAM]

Me to , there are just so many factors involved in this equation. I feel all avenues need to be explored to come up with a solution that will lead this country in the right direction.

This (to be found) solution,IMHO, first and foremost, it (the solution) must put the American Citizen at the Top of the list.

No free handouts , allthough some folks will need help. I believe it is incumbant upon a civilized soceity to provide for the poor, old, widowed,and disabled that can not provide for themselves.

With this said, we ( as a nation ) need to step back and clean up our own backyard before taking on the whole worlds bagage. We have plenty to do right here at home. My .03 cents

I can agree with that.But able-bodied people that have the means to provide their own and their families health care should .There have to be stringent guidelines to avoid abuse by slackers and those wanting to improve their standard of living by mooching off the government ( i.e. we the taxpayers)

If we had used all the money wasted on foreign soil,we wouldn't have any problems here.

 

[includemeout]

I can agree with that.But able-bodied people that have the means to provide their own and their families health care should .There have to be stringent guidelines to avoid abuse by slackers and those wanting to improve their standard of living by mooching off the government ( i.e. we the taxpayers)

If we had used all the money wasted on foreign soil,we wouldn't have any problems here.

I do believe we are on the same page concerning these subjects :rock: :rock:

BTW, My son, and his wife can not afford health insurance at this time ( she is in school and he has a fractured back), but, that is were the family has picked up the tab until they are out of school and working. No Free Ride!!!!!