Ethanol 'the answer,' auto execs tell Bush

OCBob

VIPER POWERED
Joined
May 19, 2006
Messages
10,488
Reaction score
15
Location
splitting lanes at a buck ten
President Bush, seeking to rev up support for his energy plan, praised domestic automakers Monday for building more "flexible fuel" vehicles capable of running on ethanol and biodiesel blends.

"That's a major technological breakthrough for the country," Bush said. "If you want to reduce gasoline usage like I believe we need to do so for national security reasons as well as for environmental concerns, the consumer has got to be in a position to make a rational choice."

Bush said he appreciated "that American automobile manufacturers recognize the reality of the world in which we live in and are using new technologies to use the consumers different options."

Bush met with General Motors Corp. chairman and chief executive Rick Wagoner, Ford Motor Co. chief executive Alan Mulally and DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler Group chief executive Tom LaSorda. They discussed Bush's support for flex-fuel vehicles and his administration's proposal to reduce gas consumption by 20 percent in 10 years.

The three auto executives reiterated their commitment to double their production of flexible fuel vehicles to about 2 million a year by 2010.

Automakers said they could make half of their cars and trucks capable of running on alternative fuels by 2012 if there is enough availability and distribution of E85, an ethanol blend of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline.

"This makes a big difference," Wagoner said. "There's nothing that can be done that can reduce the curb of growth of imported oil, and actually turn it down, like using E85."

LaSorda said, "We think this is the answer for America to lower our dependence on foreign oil."

Environmental groups said the focus on ethanol blends would undermine attempts to push automakers to make more fuel efficient cars.

"Making our cars and light trucks go farther on a gallon of gas is the single biggest step we can take toward saving American families money at the pump, ending our dangerous addiction to oil, and curbing global warming," said Dan Becker, the Sierra Club's director of the global warming and energy program.

Only about 1,100 of the nation's 170,000 fueling stations offer E85. The auto leaders said the distribution system is critical to getting more vehicles running on alternatives.

Bush checked out some flex-fuel vehicles on the South Lawn following the meeting: GM's flex-fuel Chevrolet Impala running on E85; Ford's Edge HySeries with a plug-in hydrogen fuel cell; and DaimlerChrysler's Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel filled with B5, a biodiesel blend.

During one of the demonstrations, Bush stuck a yellow plug into a jack positioned near the front door of the Ford Edge. Mulally said a mix of alternative vehicles -- hybrids, hydrogen fuel cells and plug-ins -- "give us some great options to satisfy our need for flexibility as well as being good stewards of the environment."

Bush has sought higher fuel efficiency standards for cars; Wagoner said they spent "very little time" talking about gas mileage standards beyond the president's support for reforming the way standards are applied for passenger cars.
 
COULD OUR TRUCKS RUN ON THAT STUFF??
WATCHED AN IRL RACE THIS WEEKEND AND THE WERE RACING WITH IT.
WHAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN MODS TO MAKE THE FRENCH FRY OIL
WORK??
 
wont grow old said:
COULD OUR TRUCKS RUN ON THAT STUFF??
WATCHED AN IRL RACE THIS WEEKEND AND THE WERE RACING WITH IT.
WHAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN MODS TO MAKE THE FRENCH FRY OIL
WORK??

You are confusing two different things here.

Used french fry oil can be converted to BioDiesel.

Ethanol is made from corn. It's an alcohol type fuel similar to methanol.
 
Black1 said:
I would guess that the whole fuel delivery system would have to be changed... :dontknow: Injectors, Pump, fuel lines... :confused:

you betcha, IMO it's better to just get a new car that can
use the bio fuel than to try and convert our trucks to this stuff.
I think the entire swapping would cost upper 3,000 not to mention
your truck smelling like a McDonalds rather than a gas hungry demon:rock:

Sharpi
 
Silverback said:
You are confusing two different things here.

Used french fry oil can be converted to BioDiesel.

Ethanol is made from corn. It's an alcohol type fuel similar to methanol.


OOPS,MY BAD.SORRY SILVERMAN:rock:
 
Ethanol is the answer FOR SURE ;)

With only a 10% blend of Ethanol and gasoline, my SRT uses 10-15% more fuel than straight gasoline. Ethanol is an oxygenate and when that extra oxygen
hits the oxygen sensors...guess what??!! The ECU adds MORE fuel to compensate!

Ethanol IS the answer (for the oil companies, that is).

Ron
 
rottenronnie said:
Ethanol is the answer FOR SURE ;)

With only a 10% blend of Ethanol and gasoline, my SRT uses 10-15% more fuel than straight gasoline. Ethanol is an oxygenate and when that extra oxygen
hits the oxygen sensors...guess what??!! The ECU adds MORE fuel to compensate!

Ethanol IS the answer (for the oil companies, that is).

Ron

How true, Just another feeble attempt to get votes from the Heartland :(
Creating Methanol makes more toxic byproducts than oil, not to mention the acidic havic it causes to internall engine parts. Hell in 84 they hadto change to plastic fuel tanks because of the corosion caused by water retention in the methanol. God have mercey.:shot: :shot: :shot: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
Also, a gallon of Ethanol has about 70% of the BTUs that a gallon of gasoline does.

And to end..if we took all of our crops and turned them into Ethanol, it would only meet 10% of our fuel demand...

Ethanol is not the answer..
 
We should all chip in and get Methanol injection. Then we can put "Hybrid" stickers on our trucks for the tree-huggers.
 
i work for a compay called clipper windpower inc. and a month or so ago the COO of the company told us that for every 3 wind turbins we ship out of our plant it off sets 1 million barrels of oil anually. :rock: and they are designed to last 25/30 years. today we finished our 20th. so there are other ways to. ps its a great company, im looking foward to retiring from them in about 35 years:D
 
devildog02 said:
i work for a compay called clipper windpower inc. and a month or so ago the COO of the company told us that for every 3 wind turbins we ship out of our plant it off sets 1 million barrels of oil anually. :rock: and they are designed to last 25/30 years. today we finished our 20th. so there are other ways to. ps its a great company, im looking foward to retiring from them in about 35 years:D

I wonder if your company had any interest in Palm Springs California.
 
they are based in carpentria ca. sorry not sure how to spell it. clipperwind.com can give more info. this design we are making now is a whole new animal,most powerful in the world, designed to last long, i think its the biggest size wise also and so on, its actualy really neat,
 
A couple guys in the squadron have this, works, but smells!
 
Ethonal clogs injectors if the car is not designed for it. Our trucks need atleat 91 Octane to run good. There's 2 new Ethonal plants that have just been built around here and it's not a bad idea for normal cars to comute in. But you won't catch me running that crap in any of my cars.


Methonal is made from crude oil not corn like Ehtonal. Besides there's 2 different Methonals that come to mind. The Injection uses window washer fluid and the Kind that is ran in Top Fuel Dragsters.
 

Latest posts

Support Us

Become A Supporting Member Today!

Click Here For Details

Back
Top