Just got custom cam and powder coat from JMB!

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Can't recommend enough JMB Performance and Powdercoat. Justin gave me exactly what I asked for (a fairly aggressive idle, streetable) with a nice power boost..it was a challenge since I am in Northern Ohio and JMB in Missouri along with health problems and transport problems. Justin was patient, did some powder coating and detailed my paint.. Justin and his staff did a great job. It is well worth taking your vehicle there for service. Video of new improved idle below.
 
Toledo, I think we met once at that car show in sylvania a few years back.
 
Toledo, I think we met once at that car show in sylvania a few years back.

Yeah, Randall right?
If you're free next weekend is the Mopar world finals at Norwalk Raceway. Paul and I and a bunch of others will be there Saturday. Would be nice to see another truck join us.
 
You wouldnt beleive how much i would love to go however i am stuck up here at U of M hospital.
 
I'm guessing around 228 @ .050" based on the sound of that clip.

sounds good but is that really all the duration is?? is it because of the computer?? or emissions??

a decent cam on my old big block charger was 284-295 duration.

i sure don't know a lot about cams but would of thought it had a lot more in this one. i think the stock RoadRunner cam in 69 was around 225-230.

some education please
 
Justin at JMB would be the guy to talk about the specs. He got me exactly ehat i was looking fot and had the cam custoom ground.
 
NukeGM/Ford

I searched for a LONG writeup I did on camshafts years ago on this site but I could only go back to 2011. Here is an abbreviated version...

DURATION numbers are now measured from .050" lift. There are a few manufacturers using a different number but .050" is relatively common.
Prior to standardizing, duration numbers didn't make any sense so measuring from .050" really helped in making an informed decision when choosing or designing your own cam.

So, your old BB Charger cam very likely WASN'T 284/295 duration at .050" lift. It was strictly an advertised (nearly meaningless number) before the .050" lift standardization came around.

Sidebar: As there are 360 degrees in a circle, if a camshaft had 360 degrees duration the valve(s) would never close! That wouldn't work. :(

Sidebar: Camshafts should be chosen based on the cylinder heads ability to flow. There is a common misconception here that the more the heads flow, the more power the engine is going to make. This is NOT true and is a whole other topic.
Anyway, the Intake and exhaust valves have to open and close at the "right" time for the engine to run. Juggling Duration for example (the length of time they are open measured in degrees) will change how long the valves are open. Intake and Exhaust can be different here, You might want a cam ground with 225 duration on your Intake and say 235 on your Exhaust (if for example, the cylinder head has a lame exhaust port). Leaving the Exhaust Valve open longer may help here.

The Intake valve closing point is really important as the mixture does not start to get compressed until the Intake closes.
OVERLAP is when BOTH the Intake and Exhaust valves are open and is also expressed as Lobe Separation Angle or L.S.A. It happens right near the end of the Power Stroke when the piston is still going down. The Exhaust Valve stays Open a specific length of time (based on Overlap, or L.S.A.); to assist the incoming charge behind the the now Opening Intake valve (the piston is now on its way back up on the Exhaust Stroke).

The LOWER the L.S.A. number (say a 108 vs. a 120) the more overlap the the cam is going to have. The overlap is going to largely dictate the amount of boogity-boogity sound the engine has at idle and where (r.p.m. range) the power is going to be applied. GENERALLY, the more overlap the cam has, the peakier and narrower the power band will be. It makes that sound because the intake charge is actually getting pushed backwards into the Intake Manifold because there is not yet enough engine r.p.m. (at idle) to encourage Intake flow in the right direction. That is why the boogity-boogity sound stops and the engine starts to run smoothly and make power once the r.p.m. is high enough.

Overlap is closely tied/ground with duration so you couldn't order a cam with lots of overlap (to get that "sound") and leave everything else stock.

Power (Torque) is cylinder pressure, period. So if you start with an engine with a low compression ratio and install a camshaft with a late closing Intake Valve (lots of Duration), there isn't much left to compress. The engine will be a nice sounding dog.

Remember I said nothing starts to compress until the Intake Closes?
Well, if you have an engine that is say a Viper engine and you put a really rank cam in it without increasing the compression ratio by milling heads, or changing pistons, there are going to be issues with that engine. It will likely have a nice sound, less than optimum gas mileage, and not a lot of torque at low r.p.m. where you need it in a truck. That is why a rank cam and an increase in compression should be done together. Some guys just want the "sound" and don't care about the rest. I'd choose a camshaft that builds Torque over horsepower, particularly in a heavy truck like the SRT-10.

LIFT is how high the valves are lifted off of their seats. It can also be different between the Intake and Exhaust Valves.
So, the comment before about the Cylinder Head and Camshaft relationship...
If your heads quit flowing at .450" lift, there isn't much point in punishing your street engine's valvetrain with a cam that lifts to .650".

Camshaft choice is best left to those selling cams. They will (should) ask you a bunch of questions about your engine, compression ratio, gearing, ported heads, WEIGHT, bore, stroke, valve sizes, converter, INTENDED USE, etc.
The vast majority of the time you are in your street vehicle you will be a something less than wide open throttle so you have to use some common sense when choosing a cam.

Just like heads, bigger cam numbers will not automatically mean more power.

Torque and Horsepower are often on a see-saw when changing engine parts; If one goes up, the other goes down. I tell customers if you can't choose between a Big Cam and a Slightly Smaller Cam, choose the smaller one.
Changing a camshaft will change how and where your engine will make it's power.

This topic can get quite involved, I hope the above info was clear enough to help you out a bit.

If you have some specific question(s), I will try to answer.

But, talk to trusted Vendors on this site and (if you can) people that are using their products to see if they got the results they wanted. There are some happy customers in the posts above...

I wanted it all for my own truck: Really good (useable) Torque, high r.p.m. horsepower AND really good gas mileage.

So, I tweaked the numbers until I thought it would work with my particular combo.

And (3) cams later, I am happy with the results, even though I didn't get it all, it was really close!


It's a cool science.

Have fun...


Ronnie
 
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NukeGM/Ford

I searched for a LONG writeup I did on camshafts years ago on this site but I could only go back to 2011. Here is an abbreviated version...

DURATION numbers are now measured from .050" lift. There are a few manufacturers using a different number but .050" is relatively common.
Prior to standardizing, duration numbers didn't make any sense so measuring from .050" really helped in making an informed decision when choosing or designing your own cam.

So, your old BB Charger cam very likely WASN'T 284/295 duration at .050" lift. It was strictly an advertised (nearly meaningless number) before the .050" lift standardization came around.

Sidebar: As there are 360 degrees in a circle, if a camshaft had 360 degrees duration the valve(s) would never close! That wouldn't work. :(

Sidebar: Camshafts should be chosen based on the cylinder heads ability to flow. There is a common misconception here that the more the heads flow, the more power the engine is going to make. This is NOT true and is a whole other topic.
Anyway, the Intake and exhaust valves have to open and close at the "right" time for the engine to run. Juggling Duration for example (the length of time they are open measured in degrees) will change how long the valves are open. Intake and Exhaust can be different here, You might want a cam ground with 225 duration on your Intake and say 235 on your Exhaust (if for example, the cylinder head has a lame exhaust port). Leaving the Exhaust Valve open longer may help here.

The Intake valve closing point is really important as the mixture does not start to get compressed until the Intake closes.
OVERLAP is when BOTH the Intake and Exhaust valves are open and is also expressed as Lobe Separation Angle or L.S.A. It happens right near the end of the Power Stroke when the piston is still going down. The Exhaust Valve stays Open a specific length of time (based on Overlap, or L.S.A.); to assist the incoming charge behind the the now Opening Intake valve (the piston is now on its way back up on the Exhaust Stroke).

The LOWER the L.S.A. number (say a 108 vs. a 120) the more overlap the the cam is going to have. The overlap is going to largely dictate the amount of boogity-boogity sound the engine has at idle and where (r.p.m. range) the power is going to be applied. GENERALLY, the more overlap the cam has, the peakier and narrower the power band will be. It makes that sound because the intake charge is actually getting pushed backwards into the Intake Manifold because there is not yet enough engine r.p.m. (at idle) to encourage Intake flow in the right direction. That is why the boogity-boogity sound stops and the engine starts to run smoothly and make power once the r.p.m. is high enough.

Overlap is closely tied/ground with duration so you couldn't order a cam with lots of overlap (to get that "sound") and leave everything else stock.

Power (Torque) is cylinder pressure, period. So if you start with an engine with a low compression ratio and install a camshaft with a late closing Intake Valve (lots of Duration), there isn't much left to compress. The engine will be a nice sounding dog.

Remember I said nothing starts to compress until the Intake Closes?
Well, if you have an engine that is say a Viper engine and you put a really rank cam in it without increasing the compression ratio by milling heads, or changing pistons, there are going to be issues with that engine. It will likely have a nice sound, less than optimum gas mileage, and not a lot of torque at low r.p.m. where you need it in a truck. That is why a rank cam and an increase in compression should be done together. Some guys just want the "sound" and don't care about the rest. I'd choose a camshaft that builds Torque over horsepower, particularly in a heavy truck like the SRT-10.

LIFT is how high the valves are lifted off of their seats. It can also be different between the Intake and Exhaust Valves.
So, the comment before about the Cylinder Head and Camshaft relationship...
If your heads quit flowing at .450" lift, there isn't much point in punishing your street engine's valvetrain with a cam that lifts to .650".

Camshaft choice is best left to those selling cams. They will (should) ask you a bunch of questions about your engine, compression ratio, gearing, ported heads, WEIGHT, bore, stroke, valve sizes, converter, INTENDED USE, etc.
The vast majority of the time you are in your street vehicle you will be a something less than wide open throttle so you have to use some common sense when choosing a cam.

Just like heads, bigger cam numbers will not automatically mean more power.

Torque and Horsepower are often on a see-saw when changing engine parts; If one goes up, the other goes down. I tell customers if you can't choose between a Big Cam and a Slightly Smaller Cam, choose the smaller one.
Changing a camshaft will change how and where your engine will make it's power.

This topic can get quite involved, I hope the above info was clear enough to help you out a bit.

If you have some specific question(s), I will try to answer.

But, talk to trusted Vendors on this site and (if you can) people that are using their products to see if they got the results they wanted. There are some happy customers in the posts above...

I wanted it all for my own truck: Really good (useable) Torque, high r.p.m. horsepower AND really good gas mileage.

So, I tweaked the numbers until I thought it would work with my particular combo.

And (3) cams later, I am happy with the results, even though I didn't get it all, it was really close!


It's a cool science.

Have fun...


Ronnie

Glad to see you posting again......
 
Justin powdercoated my valve covers and calipers while he had my truck. I Will attempt to attach below. I think it turned out great myself!!
 

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