This is an xlnt example of the economic strategy at Chrysler. SRT or no SRT.... "Only design powertrain components to withstand the original power perameters. But no more than that...."
D
D
PICS!!! Toasted Spider Gears
- Thread starter LitemUp
- Start date
andrew heywood
Full Access Member
seems to me that kinda shit shouldnt occur with a dana 60. arent the stockers 91/4 or 91/2, heres my question with na on racin slicks do you guys think the rear end can handle long term racin without problems?...is cryoed a tempering process?
1fast10
Full Access Member
nice damage... atleast you had fun doing it
Scrambler1
Full Access Member
andrew heywood said:
Being a D60 makes the ring and pinion strong, also the axle shafts. Spider gears are for the street, they are junk in a track vehicle. Yeah you can have them cryo treated but that's a bandaid on a gunshot wound. Dodge screwed us with this particular rear end. The only way to build it right is to completely replace it with a custom assembly like Stinker sells. That gets you smaller brakes to clear 15" wheels and a Detroit locker, no more spider gears.
Andrew, you will always break the spiders if you let the wheels hop on the track. Ask IH8CHVYS about this. They can take a strong even load but any wheel hop causes uneven loading/unloading in big hits, will break them every time. Yes even n/a.
mmmmtorque
Full Access Member
I dont plan to run anymore until I either rebuild the stocker with cryo'd gears or swap it out completely.... Last trip to the track could only peg leg it. So didnt even spray...I dont think they will hold up long with 600+rwhp.
I have about 50-60 track runs on my truck with 515 ish rwhp and slicks.
Parts broken to date from track runs:
2nd gear...replaced and cryo'd trans
Stock clutch
Stock master/slave
Fidenza flywheel...for some reason they dont hold up well to 5000rpm drops :dontknow:
Stock shifter...well..I broke that on purpose after missing 3rd a few times
Spider gears...next
I have about 50-60 track runs on my truck with 515 ish rwhp and slicks.
Parts broken to date from track runs:
2nd gear...replaced and cryo'd trans
Stock clutch
Stock master/slave
Fidenza flywheel...for some reason they dont hold up well to 5000rpm drops :dontknow:
Stock shifter...well..I broke that on purpose after missing 3rd a few times
Spider gears...next
Django said:
D. No disrespect here, but this is a street vehicle NOT a track vehicle. The parts used are strong enoungh to withstand what ever you can throw at them "on the street" on a stock platform maybe even an upgraded one. The rearends were NEVER designed to withstand the punishment of a 5k lbs truck launching at 4k rpm, with a centerforce dual friction clutch, 14.5" wide slicks pushing 620 rwhp and 615 rwtq. If you think Chrysler or any other Automobile Manufacture would over build a vehicle WAAAAAY! beyond its intend purpose that wouldn't be an economically sound strategy IMHO. Shit happens and if you or anyone decides to upgrade their vehicle beyond their intended and specifically design purpose be prepared for when things break, but if you can't handle that then leave it stock and don't go to the track.
mmmmtorque said:I dont plan to run anymore until I either rebuild the stocker with cryo'd gears or swap it out completely.... Last trip to the track could only peg leg it. So didnt even spray...I dont think they will hold up long with 600+rwhp.
I have about 50-60 track runs on my truck with 515 ish rwhp and slicks.
Parts broken to date from track runs:
2nd gear...replaced and cryo'd trans
Stock clutch
Stock master/slave
Fidenza flywheel...for some reason they dont hold up well to 5000rpm drops :dontknow:
Stock shifter...well..I broke that on purpose after missing 3rd a few times
Spider gears...next
I would really consider at least draining the fluid, popping the cover and flush out any debris you may have in there. Trust me if you were peg legging it something broke and its still rolling around in there and could cause some more damage. Until you have the funds to replace the spiders.
NBT
Full Access Member
- Joined
- May 18, 2006
- Messages
- 4,322
- Reaction score
- 15
LoveThisTruck said:How many people have had this happen? Is this what I can expect running slicks and a blower? I should probably add a rear end to the list huh:dontknow:
LoveThisTruck said:
All been done already
Your good to go.:driver::burnout: :burnout: We dropped the entire box in the cryo, so every nut/bolt was done... even the Centerforce.You got lucky Alex... as stated, I am suprised you got away with only spider/side gears, without hammering the ring and pinion.
Peg legging will kill the gear set.
Gear set will be done tomorrow.
Last edited:
NBT:rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:
andrew heywood
Full Access Member
where are the spyder gears located, are they used in conjunction with ring and pinion:dontknow: are they inside the pumkin:dontknow:Scrambler1 said:
andrew heywood
Full Access Member
so, are they used as anti slip:dontknow:
andrew heywood
Full Access Member
are they a part of axel assembly:dontknow:
Scrambler1
Full Access Member
They are part of the ring and pinion setup. The spider gears are in the center of the carrier that the ring is bolted to. Spider gears are actually the opposite of anti-slip, they are why your back tires can turn at two different speeds. This is why I say a street setup, when you pull into a parking space the inside tire turns much slower than the outside. Have you ever driven a vehicle with a true locker, ie a Detroit? When you apply power the locker essentially locks the two axle shafts together so the tires turn the same speed. In a parking lot you will chirp the tires while turning.
A true locker keeps you going in a straight line on the drag strip since neither tire is getting more power than the other. Spider gears are the reason for one tire burnouts and are very fragile when shocked with uneven loads of great force.
A true locker keeps you going in a straight line on the drag strip since neither tire is getting more power than the other. Spider gears are the reason for one tire burnouts and are very fragile when shocked with uneven loads of great force.
Good info on this thread. Thanks to all who know WTF they're talking about I learn more on this forum than I ever did in school
I learn more on this forum than I ever did in school
NBT said:All been done already
You got lucky Alex... as stated, I am suprised you got away with only spider/side gears, without hammering the ring and pinion.
Peg legging will kill the gear set.
Gear set will be done tomorrow.
Outstanding. That's what I thought you had told me, but wasn't sure:rock: I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on the engine build:marchmellow:
LoveThisTruck said:
Pull the TRIGGER already!
bclark05
New Member
LoveThisTruck said:Good info on this thread. Thanks to all who know WTF they're talking about
I 2nd that, you guys on here are awsome.:rock:
not really............they jsut stayed at a holiday inn express last nightbclark05 said:
andrew heywood
Full Access Member
but the srt 10 still has the anti slip diff? plus the spyder gear feature, thank you scrambler 1 very informative:rock:Scrambler1 said:
andrew heywood
Full Access Member
ole tony T what ya doin with yaself skeeter:rock:Stinker said:not really............they jsut stayed at a holiday inn express last night
Support Us
Become A Supporting Member Today!
