The Philosophy Thread - an Experimental Therapy:

Nice. That is what I was taught at TCU...but the professor got fired for it.

Roy
 
Azmal is treading on very thin ice.

His comments only skirt the borders of philosophy and although cloaked, seem to be simply anti Christian rhetoric and IMO do not uplift or inspire. I specifically admonished him NOT to engage in debunking anyone's religion.

His comments are inconsistent with the tenor of this thread....."and yer loik fkn up the color of my aura, dewd........."

This isn't the "intellect expo" or "here's how much I know" thread....or even "world religions 101"......

This is a hopefully humble discussion on what unites us spiritually and brings us together. Not what divides us.

So knock it off, OK cowboy...?

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Your thread man. Didn't want to cause problems or anything, just wanted to touch on and expand on some of the things brought up earlier on this thread.
 
Django said:
Azmal is treading on very thin ice.

His comments only skirt the borders of philosophy and although cloaked, seem to be simply anti Christian rhetoric and IMO do not uplift or inspire. I specifically admonished him NOT to engage in debunking anyone's religion.

His comments are inconsistent with the tenor of this thread....."and yer loik fkn up the color of my aura, dewd........."

This isn't the "intellect expo" or "here's how much I know" thread....or even "world religions 101"......

This is a hopefully humble discussion on what unites us spiritually and brings us together. Not what divides us.

So knock it off, OK cowboy...?

D
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Tim, please don't take his post as threading on thin ice . . . it actually has been a view point that I have had for several years. I studied mythology this past summer and it seems to me that there is a fine line really on how people interpret their religious belief and a philosophical belief.

I think one of the greatest minds in philosophy that has affected most (but people don't even realize) is Joseph Campbell. He influenced more people and I can probably guess that 75% of the population do not even know who he is. (Clue for others: major influence for Star Wars)

And I don't mean to bring anything up that you may consider as contradictory to your purpose or condone anyone's bias to the religious factor - I am merely bringing up that if someone has those same thoughts as Azmal - and the lines are so closely intertwined - how can someone explain that which cannot be explained?

I understand the philosophy of things that there are things that happen in the world that cannot be explained and that there is a greater spirit - (which may be within ourselves) but how am somebody like me - who likes to see the scientifical part to back it up - able to accept that. :dontknow:

Tim, trust me - I am not trying to start any waves, I am just trying to grasp, once again, how do you accept when things are not explained.

Sorry for rambling . . . and Tim - you know I love and respect you!!! Which is why I'm bringing the question to you!

This is not a religious question - for I am not that religous and I know you are not presenting this thread in a religious fashion. It is merely a spiritual question.

I have had my moments of spirituality, but yet there are days that I still question it within myself and reading posts such as Azmal's make me even more skeptical of the things I cannot explain.

I hope that the point I am trying to get across is not misconstrued, if I have offended you in anyway or confused you in anyway - please pm. Not saying that you may have all the answers to my questions, but you may have an insight that may help me understand.
 
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What comes out of my mouth sometimes!!!

I'm sorry Tim!:eek:
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No worries, Alex.....

I have absolutely no problem with your comments....... No worries. kiddo...


The last thing I want to promote is negativity on this thread. If someone wants to fight, they now have someplace to doit... I have no desire to referee a fight over something that is impossible to prove on either side...

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Django said:
I was thinking earlier about how many eastern teachings, Buddhism in particular have a doctrine of non-violence..... I thought I'd kick this article around and get some feedback on it for those who have an interest in the practice .....

http://www.zenrefuge.org/Buddhism_and_Nonviolence.html

I welcome your input and opinions.....

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Apparently, non violence is not a very popular subject...... :p ;)

How about Tantra Yoga.....? That should be popular....

D
 
Django said:
I was thinking earlier about how many eastern teachings, Buddhism in particular have a doctrine of non-violence..... I thought I'd kick this article around and get some feedback on it for those who have an interest in the practice .....

http://www.zenrefuge.org/Buddhism_and_Nonviolence.html

I welcome your input and opinions.....

D
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I think it is a very noble concept.

I try not to initiate violence, though I can't say I've always been successful. But I can tell you that if someone else commits and act of violence against me or mine, I will pay it back tenfold.

I guess that is just one of my many failings.
 
Have we been told that violence is not the answer to all our problems for so long that we now believe that is the answer to none of them ?


Violence won't solve all your problems,but it will solve some of them.


A kind word and a gun will get you more than a kind word alone.(maybe Al Capone ? )



Not sure who these are attributed to,but something to ponder.



While on the subject,many take the teachings of Jesus to mean simply let other people do what they will to you,i.e. "turn the other cheek" . I have a different view (philosphy if you will) of those sayings.If you have read any of the Bible,you will see several instances of where the crowd wanted to stone Him and throw Him over a cliff.It goes on to say that he turned and walked through the midst of them,and hiding Himself ,He passed through their midst.

My belief is that He was shielded by/protected by the power of Love.He turned and left and they couldn't stone Him,touch Him,or even see Him ! The only time that anyone could do anything to Him was when the time came for Him to lay His life down.I DO NOT believe that we are meant to lay down and let people walk on us,figuratively speaking.I believe that we are to develop Love to such a high degree that we can do as Jesus did and be protected by it.

Until that time,I believe that violence is sometimes the only defence left to us.Just my .02
 
HOT RAM said:
Have we been told that violence is not the answer to all our problems for so long that we now believe that is the answer to none of them ?


Violence won't solve all your problems,but it will solve some of them.


A kind word and a gun will get you more than a kind word alone.(maybe Al Capone ? )



Not sure who these are attributed to,but something to ponder.



While on the subject,many take the teachings of Jesus to mean simply let other people do what they will to you,i.e. "turn the other cheek" . I have a different view (philosphy if you will) of those sayings.If you have read any of the Bible,you will see several instances of where the crowd wanted to stone Him and throw Him over a cliff.It goes on to say that he turned and walked through the midst of them,and hiding Himself ,He passed through their midst.

My belief is that He was shielded by/protected by the power of Love.He turned and left and they couldn't stone Him,touch Him,or even see Him ! The only time that anyone could do anything to Him was when the time came for Him to lay His life down.I DO NOT believe that we are meant to lay down and let people walk on us,figuratively speaking.I believe that we are to develop Love to such a high degree that we can do as Jesus did and be protected by it.

Until that time,I believe that violence is sometimes the only defence left to us.Just my .02
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There is great merit to a dedication to non-violence. After all if everyone did it, we would eliminate all wars.... no small feat indeed.

But the teachings of Jesus (turn the other cheek) were (IMO) not meant to allow others to beat our brians out, but to instill in us a nature of longsuffering (great patience) instead of a reactionary attitude. That is, to respond in the spirit of understanding and not a knee jerk response to kick the shit out of those who come against us.... Jesus was said to have had the power to bring legions of angels to his defense if He so desired. Yet he was led like a lamb to the slaughter and opened not his mouth in his own defense.

To take the discussion even further into the unknown, some Buddhists will do everything in their power to prevent injury to bugs that crawl in the streets... They will actually sweep the bugs off the street before a procession of monks go by in order to prevent killing them. Likewise, many also eat no meat for the same purpose of non-violence....

These practices as well as that of complete pacifism are quite curious to me. Life must always consume some part of life to survive.... This is true even in cases of folks who are complete vegans.. They consume the fruit of another entity which contains it's seed..... So, it seems a bit fruitless to me.. (No pun intended)

And of course, being a Sicilian/ American, I've been raised to be Christian. But that I should NOT to let anyone bully me and to defend against the same being perpetrated against the meek and the innocent.

What do you think....?

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Django said:
There is great merit to a dedication to non-violence. After all if everyone did it, we would eliminate all wars.... no small feat indeed.

But the teachings of Jesus (turn the other cheek) were (IMO) not meant to allow others to beat our brians out, but to instill in us a nature of longsuffering (great patience) instead of a reactionary attitude. That is, to respond in the spirit of understanding and not a knee jerk response to kick the shit out of those who come against us.... Jesus was said to have had the power to bring legions of angels to his defense if He so desired. Yet he was led like a lamb to the slaughter and opened not his mouth in his own defense.

To take the discussion even further into the unknown, some Buddhists will do everything in their power to prevent injury to bugs that crawl in the streets... They will actually sweep the bugs off the street before a procession of monks go by in order to prevent killing them. Likewise, many also eat no meat for the same purpose of non-violence....

These practices as well as that of complete pacifism are quite curious to me. Life must always consume some part of life to survive.... This is true even in cases of folks who are complete vegans.. They consume the fruit of another entity which contains it's seed..... So, it seems a bit fruitless to me.. (No pun intended)

And of course, being a Sicilian/ American, I've been raised to be Christian. But that I should NOT to let anyone bully me and to defend against the same being perpetrated against the meek and the innocent.

What do you think....?

D
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I have to say that I find many of the Buddhist teachings quite interesting.I was brought up to avoid trouble as much as possible but to never let anyone "walk over me".I was raised Christian also ,but anger control was non-existent in our family for some reason :eek:

One of the first lessons that I received in the martial arts was that the easiest fight to win was the one that you don't have to fight.Avoid the fight if at all possible : leave,talk your way out of it and if totally unavoidable do the least damage to win .If you have to fight : hurt instead of cripple,cripple instead of kill .

I am a man of great understanding ,patience and long-suffering,but even I have limits and will fight ( and have,police records to prove it ).I have trained mentally and physically and with LOTS of weapons and I pray that I NEVER have to use any of it again,but if I do,I will.
 
I've never lost a fight in my life..... The reason being that I know better than to get into one in the first place.... Fights are usually a product of too much testosterone mixed with an equal excess of alcohol or the wrong kinds of drugs. When combined with an absence of good sense, these are a lethal combination.

The only fights I've ever been involved with where complete melee type, bar or concert free for alls over which there was no control. They demanded complete survival mode and in self defense a few deft moves were mandatory...

But, other than that, I've succeeded in bringing reason and a decrease in hostilities to just about every potentially dangerous environment.... especially as a member of law enforcement.... After all, the police always bring guns most everywhere they go..... It changes things.

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The only fights I have been in were the ones where I was attacked and had no choice.Now,I have hit a few guys before,but that was the end of all their "fight".:D

Undefeated since 1983 :rock:

Now that I carry all the time,I tend to agrresively avoid fight situations.With the asthma/COPD ,I would just have to shoot anyway.Not enough wind to fight these days.:(
 
HOT RAM said:
The only fights I have been in were the ones where I was attacked and had no choice.Now,I have hit a few guys before,but that was the end of all their "fight".:D

Undefeated since 1983 :rock:

Now that I carry all the time,I tend to agrresively avoid fight situations.With the asthma/COPD ,I would just have to shoot anyway.Not enough wind to fight these days.:(
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Are you on a nebulizer....?

D
 
Django said:
Are you on a nebulizer....?

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I have been on Advair,Singulair,Flovent,Proventil,and all sorts of others.

I went off all my meds at the Panama City gtg except Synthroid and Advair.
I can think much better and feel less sluggish (maybe now I can lose some weight ?).I am sure my doctor would dis-approve,but he may be more of a problem than I thought.


Cutting the grass today I had a sneezing fit,but I am better now.I have got to get back into better shape and i can't do it while medicated from head to toe.
 
HOT RAM said:
I have been on Advair,Singulair,Flovent,Proventil,and all sorts of others.

I went off all my meds at the Panama City gtg except Synthroid and Advair.
I can think much better and feel less sluggish (maybe now I can lose some weight ?).I am sure my doctor would dis-approve,but he may be more of a problem than I thought.


Cutting the grass today I had a sneezing fit,but I am better now.I have got to get back into better shape and i can't do it while medicated from head to toe.
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I provided healthcare (pharmacy) services to COPD/Emphysema patients for 12yrs..... I know what yer going thru.....

God bless you...

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Django said:
I provided healthcare (pharmacy) services to COPD/Emphysema patients for 12yrs..... I know what yer going thru.....

God bless you...

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Thanks !


I just keep holding on to the fact that Jesus is THE healer and I believe that I will be healed of this just as I have been from other sicknesses.
 
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