KRAZYSRT10
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ViperJeff said:No problem Kris....
I just couln't resist. You know how us crazy Mormons are![]()
You still Rock! :rock:
VJ
Go drink another beer in the closet "Jack"!
ViperJeff said:No problem Kris....
I just couln't resist. You know how us crazy Mormons are![]()
You still Rock! :rock:
VJ
KRAZYSRT10 said:Just to add to this...I have been baptised Mormon once upon a time. I have no problems with people of this faith, however, I personally do not trust this church nor do I trust most churches. However, I know the stories and have read the Book of Mormon and I find it hard to believe that the Lord speaks through this man who calls himself the Prophet as voted by the 12 Apostles or whatever it is called, I forget.
I did not mean to offend anybody that is Mormon, just stoking some conversation as asked and as you can see....this why I usually avoid these conversations because I end up hobbling away due to one foot being in my mouth.:dontknow:
KRAZYSRT10 said:Go drink another beer in the closet "Jack"!:marchmellow:
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ViperJeff said:I wish I could, but it's not on my Dr ordered allowed food/drink list
:marchmellow:
Ram From Hell said:Careful, that statement cuts both ways.![]()
This, on the other hand does not.
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
-Albert Einstein
Django said:Your attempt to gain credibilty by using the above quote in a vain attempt to share his credibilty in this way is intentellectually dishonest and usurious.... I'm raising the BS flag.
ViperJeff said:You know how us crazy Mormons are![]()
Ram From Hell said:Boo hoo. You hewt my wittle feewings.![]()
Nice way to f up the words credibility (twice) and intellectually, btw. Must be some good stuff burnin' in that bowl tonight! I suppose it lends a little less of each to your come back. You'd almost think I hit a nerve with you based on your response.
Glad you can raise a flag. I'll raise a beer, and we'll see who gets more salutes. :cheers:
BurntRubber said:I believe him to be the Son of God.
and maybe I should have reworded my post, but you left out the part about lee strobel being an aethiest
Rapunzel41 said:I have the utmost respect for your beliefs and I sincerely congratulate you on your conversion to Christianity. I applaud you for having the desire and the courage to share your faith with others. That is often not easy to do. I say this with no sarcasm at all. I also deeply respect and appreciate your testimony of witnessing your sister's recovery and your recognition of your children as the miracles and blessing they are. I also have experienced in my own life what would most likely qualify as miracles and I am a mother of two amazing sons so I can relate to where you’re coming from.
In posting that Strobel is not an atheist but an evangelical, Christian apologist and minister my only intention was to offer clarification regarding his position, not to denigrate your views or your book recommendation. Thus my statement that maybe there was a typo in the post (i.e. it was intended to say Strobel was/used to be an atheist). I have not read The Case for Christ in its entirety but I am familiar with it and understand it to be an excellent recommendation for skeptics and those questioning Christianity as well as those seeking to strengthen their faith and testimony. In terms of having “left out†Strobel having been an atheist, I was only commenting on his position now (as well as at the time he wrote the book), not trying to provide his whole history. If one really wants to get picky about it, I also “left out†other facts about him such as the degrees he holds and he used to be a journalist (I don’t know whether he presently engages in any journalism), etc. So, to be clearer or more precise, Strobel used to be an atheist. According to his own biography he became a Christian in 1981. I can’t say for sure when he actually undertook the writing of The Case for Christ but it was published in 1998, well after he became a Christian. I am not necessarily implying that this weakens his text, but it certainly seems relevant. It seems to me that there is a big difference between saying Strobel is an atheist and Strobel used to be an atheist.
As for my opinion, belief in God or a higher power ultimately comes down to faith; it is a very personal experience; it transcends that which can be known or demonstrated through empirical investigation.
On one last note (having nothing to do with god other than the claim that wine is the food of the gods), unlike Prof last night, I did not forego my wine with and after dinner. In fact, I enjoyed a lovely dry white Riesling from Jones of Washington my husband and I “discovered†during a recent trip to the Wenatchee Valley of Washington state. I’m usually more of a red wine fan, but I highly recommend this one! I am very much enjoying the dialogue being engaged in here. If it is any indication, I anticipated being a “lurker†when I signed up. I have been a member of a site for one of my favorite bands for about 10 years and I’ve already posted more here in two days than I ever have there. Let that be a testament to the tone you all emanate.
Ram From Hell said:Boo hoo. You hewt my wittle feewings.![]()
Nice way to f up the words credibility (twice) and intellectually, btw. Must be some good stuff burnin' in that bowl tonight! I suppose it lends a little less of each to your come back. You'd almost think I hit a nerve with you based on your response.
Glad you can raise a flag. I'll raise a beer, and we'll see who gets more salutes. :cheers:
Rapunzel41 said:...On one last note (having nothing to do with god other than the claim that wine is the food of the gods), unlike Prof last night, I did not forego my wine with and after dinner. In fact, I enjoyed a lovely dry white Riesling from Jones of Washington my husband and I “discovered†during a recent trip to the Wenatchee Valley of Washington state. I’m usually more of a red wine fan, but I highly recommend this one! I am very much enjoying the dialogue being engaged in here. ...
Prof said:I need help in raising my penis...
Django said:Yup... Typing in a hurry cuz yer wife is waiting dinner is a bitch. Scuse the typos. But they're just a minor annoyance.
However it seems that it is you more than I who is affected by this issue.
First, I don't "do a bowl" or smoke shit... Haven't in about 25 years.... Wrong agian, Eric....
It always hits a nerve when someone uses lies to prove a point. Thus my reaction to your comments.
I'm not mad....... I just have a keen sense of truth and a dedication to it....
Either you didn't do your homework and thus were ill informed about Einstein or you simply lied to make your point.....
I have nothing against you, Eric...... We agree on a lot of subjects. yer an intelligent guy and I respect that more than you may know.... I know that yer a very competative individual. However, it is regrettable that winning and dominance is more valuable to you than telling the truth.
I'm a bit like Roy with respect to rhetoric and arguments. They should actually be true..... Yours were not.....
So, by all means.....have that beer and enjoy yourself with it.....
You lost this one.....
Peace.
D
Ram From Hell said:Nevertheless, I await your apology.
RFH out.
Azmal said:Anyway, thought I'd add something here concerning Einstein. To the best of our knowledge he was not atheist, but more importantly he was not a theist either like many defenders of religion will try to claim. Realistically he was more of a deist, he did not believe in a personal god with all the silly fairy tales, and frankly I don't think many Christians understand the difference. I think if ole Al were alive to day he'd probably be an atheist. Keep in mind our time differences.
If you're a deist you believe there's a god that created the universe and let it be. End of story, it doesn't want worship, it doesn't want your prayers, it doesn't even 'want' at all. No heaven, no hell, no talking snake, no great flood, no walking on water. If you do believe in a personal god of any sort you're classified as a theist. When someone talks about spiritual experiences (concerning god) they're talking about a theistic god, a personal god. That is a vastly different god from a deistic god. And when you claim to 'believe' one way or another you're by default making very staggering claims about the way the universe is. A universe with a personal god would obviously be a very different god from a deistic god.
I think logic and reason alone should rule out the reasonable possibility that a personal god exists but of course I can't rule out that there was an initial creator that started the universe (not that it made man, or 'designed' anything or made plans) so lets assume it holds equal grounds with any other hypothesis of what started the universe. What reason would anyone have to actually -believe- in it? It's just as viable as the next idea till we get enough evidence. I think it is a lack of human imagination that leads one to believe there is a creator. I surely don't know but I imagine it's far more exotic and strange than what we imagine when we say 'god' Or it could even be that the universe has simply always existed and there a series of big bangs, and expansions, and big crunches. We live too short of lives but luckily our human species has developed recorded history and observations and the scientific method so maybe we really will have a better model painted of our universe.
Django said:You may just wait in vain.................
If your intentions were honorable and sincere. Only you and God will know that. But, I trust whom I trust...and you haven't arrived there yet.
We can play "dial-a-quote" all day long... with the same results...
But, I do agree with you, (from the body of his writings) that Einstein was not aethist... If you had admitted that from the outset, we wouldn't be wasting time with this shit... But since you contribute copiously on that side of the argument, it stands to reason that you wouldn't extemporaneously switch sides by virtue of the Einstein quotes.... Had you prefaced the Einstein quote with the admission that (in your opinion) Einstein was not an atheist, your excuse would hold water...
You did not. My statement stands...
Einstein was very spiritual and romantic, 'specially for a scientist. He wrote about it often.... He even referred to his brand of spirituality as "pure religion"..... Which would not be my choice of words, cuz I'm anti religion, but I think the meaning is clear.... Einstein gave us every indication that he was spiritually in awe of the Majesty of creation.... He followed that which he considered to be noble, honest, pure and righteous..... And in my mind, good and God are inseparable.
What I may have failed to communicate is that I'm not a Christian Evangelist... I don't really give a rat's ass what anyone else believes. Hell, even Christians are in bitter disagreement over what they believe. I do NOT believe in Hell and damnation... I don't look down on other beliefs and I don't think I'm better than anyone else. Hell, what someone believes doesn't mean shit to the Universe anyway....
But atheists are in such a minority that they seem to have the need to "prove something" by arguing with to those who do believe in God.... As I've said before... The existence or non existence of God cannot be proven... Period.. End of story.
Finally, and in the interest of peace and goodwill I will say this to you:
If, in the deepest recesses of your heart, you truly believe that I was wrong to accuse you of lying so you can gain the upper hand in a debate.... then I apologize. But if you (as I very keenly suspect) are simply lying to feed your hunger for dominance... Then you can kiss my fragrant dego anus.....
I hope that werx for you.
D