A Video Portrait of Barak Hussian Obama

[OCBob]

What if John McCain is a "Manchurian Candidate"?

Damn Roy, beat me to it. I was typing my response and then saw this hehehehe. Now I'm really scared, we're thinking alike bwahahahahahah.

 

[Prof]

Draft Hillary!

 

[SlvrSnake]

Why don't you elaborate on his up bringing, his child hood, and his parents! Where was he born? Is he Muslim? I suspect you are heading over to google right now, but thats a good thing.

If you like Obama so much vote for him, it is your choice. Just not mine and probably a good number of people here.

 

[SRTINCT]

What happens if Obama is elected and then gets assassinated? That question alone should sway you from voting for him. Imagine the riots and racial unrest.

So never vote for a African-American candidate because of what if scenarios? Don't forget not to vote for a woman b/c who knows what will happen when she has her period.

 

[ChrisAZ]

My point is risk vs. reward. I admit my posts have been a bit out there. I am trying to get people to think about this. I am also hoping someone will explain to me how the risk is worth it. Does anyone deny that riots would break out if Obama were assassinated? Does anyone deny that it is very likely that Obama would be assassinated? There is good reason to weigh risk vs. reward in many things and I think this is a good reason.

Prof, I'm hoping you will chime in and tell me I am worried for nothing. Could Obama be assassinated? Could it cause riots? Could it tear apart this country? What % of likelihood do you see in any of these scenarios?

 

[Fit95]

Why don't you elaborate on his up bringing, his child hood, and his parents! Where was he born? Is he Muslim? I suspect you are heading over to google right now, but thats a good thing.

Wow, I step away from the computer for a while and thee are great responses. I was merely saying that in my opinion in my own world I don't like the fact that he and Reverend Right (or Wright, not sure about the spelling?) and their relationship is questionable. I am not a very religous man, but I would at least hope that if he was attending this church and hearing these surmons that he would at least stand up for his spiritual mentor (just the basic definition of any clergyman that you would attend on a regular basis for spiritual guidance) I have read some of the reverend's other speeches and a lot of his teachings are really good. At least have the balls to go to bat for your guy in my mind. I would want to defend my priest/preacher/pastor if I had followed his teachings for twenty some years. Believe it or not, I will vote based on his stances on the issues which I have more of a problem with than this minor stuff. It is just shady in my book.

I wanted to comment on this not to be a freak and think that this is the sole measure of him, and I do not have his biography to retort back to you. I was simply saying that if his family/spiritual leader don't care for the US, don't you think that THAT has had an effect on him. Maybe that effect is that he wants to change things for the better? Not everyones better is better for everyone.

Thanks for letting me express my opinion. I am leaving for the day and will not be able to respond. I look forward to reading responses on monday from everyone who is taking part in this discussion. Have a great weekend

 

[Lottotruck]

The problem I have with Obama is that there is a real possibility that he is dedicated to the destruction of the United States of America. He has been surrounded by racists and Muslims his entire life and he has shown he is afraid to be put on record with his vote by voting present so often. His political career seems crafted to me as if it was all a plan to get elected President. In that way his life has been planned from a very early age. The question is only whether or not he truly loves America and wants to improve things or if he is a sort of suicide bomber at the highest level. My fear is that he could be the nightmare that many people see based on many of the facts about his life.

I don't care if McCain will be a poor President. Obama could turn out to be the racist hater of America that some of the facts suggest and that makes him a high risk. That risk is too great in my opinion. If the facts surrounding him are coincidental then he will be a poor President anyway because he has no spin control or common sense about who to be connected to. He has chosen to affiliate himself with people who are very questionable. The risk vs. reward is not worth it with Obama. My Vote will not go to Obama. Even if you think there is only the slightest chance he might be what he is accused of being, how can you vote for him? Think of the risk you are taking.

:dito: :beer: :congrats: :rock:

I'm at work and don't have enough time to get started, but Chris summed it up!

 

[HDVIPER]

The destruction of the United States, come on dude! This video is so stupid. To all you guys that are making negative comments about Obama, Have you read both of his books? I doubt it! You all seem to be forming an opinion of him based off of this stupid s**t that is floating around. Go out and educate your self on him, then form an opinion. I for one am not afraid of the color of his skin, or his middle name. I am focusing on the good stuff! He is highly educated, can speak with out making a fool of himself, knows what it is like to grow up with out much, has lived in different parts in the world, and has a better understanding of the way the world works! McCain is a great senator, but he does not fit the description of the president of the united states. I don't know what it is about owning this truck that makes people so hostile!
Sorry for the rant!

:congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: Thank you for saying this!

 

[Django]

I have no issue with quotes. But, how often is a candidate's middle name used. The intent here is to utilize his middle name to associate him with terrorism and it's sprinkled with a little Muslim fairy dust because he was born to a Muslim father. That angle is entirely manipulative. Just like the rest of us, we didn't choose our names or our parents. I think it's disengenuous to associated him with Muslim terrorists when he is U.S. born, Ivy League educated, and Christian.

This is not quite right. The use of middle names is consistent with every U.S. President since John Quincy Adams. It has nothing to do with dissing him unreasonably. We've known these presidents as Richard Milhouse Nixon, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Lyndon Banes Johnson, Ronald Wilson Reagan HW, W and by every other of their middle names. This isn't exclusive to Barak Hussein Obama. It's his name....... Deal with it.

You've decided to back Obama in spite of his obviously Muslim name. That's your decision.

And when Muslims (come to think of it) convert to Islam, they usually change their name to an Islamic one. If BHO is a Christian, why didn't he change his name to Christian or John or some other Christian name...? If Obama is a Christian... Well, let's just leave it at that.....

He's just suspicious......

And don't tell me he grew up poor either... That's a lie.... 'scuse me... He's phoney..... He's Slick Willy in black..... He is not a patriot. He's a tax junkie... He wants power, position and more priviledge than he has already.... I'm sick of polished presidents. He's a globalist... He's gonna pull a Neville Chamberlain while Islamo Nazis continue to wreak havoc behind his back.

The descendants of Hitler's Mufti will walk all over his ivy league ass............

NO......Thank you very much....... Vote McCain....:congrats:

D

 

[ChrisAZ]

On top of all else, Obama has a poor resume for President. What on his resume makes him a good candidate for President? His lack of political experience and unwillingness to vote on anything? He has played the middle of the road in his political career showing no opinions with his own votes. He shows up for the vote but then pleads the 5th. Come on. Stand up for what you believe Obama. Then again, that might have damaged his ability to win the Presidential election. I only started thinking heavily about this today due to this thread. I have observed from afar throughout this campaign. The more I analyze Obama the more I worry about him. I am still waiting for someone to explain how the risk is worth it. What can he do to improve things enough to be worth the damage he could cause?

 

[Blacksnake]

This is not quite right. The use of middle names is consistent with every U.S. President since John Quincy Adams. It has nothing to do with dissing him unreasonably. We've known these presidents as Richard Milhouse Nixon, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Lyndon Banes Johnson, Ronald Wilson Reagan HW, W and by every other of their middle names. This isn't exclusive to Barak Hussein Obama. It's his name....... Deal with it.

You've decided to back Obama in spite of his obviously Muslim name. That's your decision.

And when Muslims (come to think of it) convert to Islam, they usually change their name to an Islamic one. If BHO is a Christian, why didn't he change his name to Christian or John or some other Christian name...? If Obama is a Christian... Well, let's just leave it at that.....

He's just suspicious......

And don't tell me he grew up poor either... That's a lie.... 'scuse me... He's phoney..... He's Slick Willy in black..... He is not a patriot. He's a tax junkie... He wants power, position and more priviledge than he has already.... I'm sick of polished presidents. He's a globalist... He's gonna pull a Neville Chamberlain while Islamo Nazis continue to wreak havoc behind his back.

The descendants of Hitler's Mufti will walk all over his ivy league ass............

NO......Thank you very much....... Vote McCain....:congrats:

D

You obviously have not read up on him either! Some names you pronounce with the middle and some you don't! Do you notice that it is only the people like you who dispizze of him that pronounce his middle name! What does that tell you? From now on when you use the name John McCain I want you to refer to him as "John Sidney McCain III" It is his middle name, and all presidents have middle names, and we must pronounce them!

"And when Muslims (come to think of it) convert to Islam, they usually change their name to an Islamic one. If BHO is a Christian, why didn't he change his name to Christian or John or some other Christian name...? If Obama is a Christian... Well, let's just leave it at that"

I think you are missing something here! HE IS NOT, AND HAS NEVER BEEN A MUSLIM!

"And don't tell me he grew up poor either... That's a lie"

Ya cause only the wealthiest people in America live on food stamps!!

"He's a tax junkie"

If you make over 250K I want you to pay some taxes buddy!

"I'm sick of polished presidents"

Lets have a contest and see who can name POLISHED past Presidents in our life time! Oh I got one! George Herbert Walker Bush, and George Walker Bush! (AKA the dream team)

 

[Blacksnake]

On top of all else, Obama has a poor resume for President. What on his resume makes him a good candidate for President? His lack of political experience and unwillingness to vote on anything? He has played the middle of the road in his political career showing no opinions with his own votes. He shows up for the vote but then pleads the 5th. Come on. Stand up for what you believe Obama. Then again, that might have damaged his ability to win the Presidential election. I only started thinking heavily about this today due to this thread. I have observed from afar throughout this campaign. The more I analyze Obama the more I worry about him. I am still waiting for someone to explain how the risk is worth it. What can he do to improve things enough to be worth the damage he could cause?

I think Barack Obama is an exceptional person with potential to be a great leader of this country. He inspires people, especially the younger generation. He has renewed people's interest and hope in fixing this country after years of having ordinary people feel like there was nothing they could do to change things they didn't like. Examples: He will work to eliminate the harm that giant corporations such as Enron have done. He will favor keeping jobs in this country instead of sending them overseas. He will begin a wiser foreign policy - get us out of Iraq and free our military resources to go after Osama Bin Laden and the real terrorists. He will work to make scholarships available to those who need education, to reduce taxes on the middle class and retired people with low incomes. He will fill the gaps to insure that we all have access to affordable health care.

I have read Obama's 2 books and watched how he has handled difficult situations in the primary campaign. He is rational and respectful of others. He uses his Christian faith as a source of strength but doesn't push his religious beliefs on others. Obama has plenty of practice in his years as a community organizer in finding the things that people can agree upon instead of focusing on the things that divide people into hostile groups. He understands, first hand, what it is like to be the child of a single parent, to live without being wealthy. He is rich in life experience, is a father of two young daughters, and obviously has a big stake in seeing a bright future for this country.

 

[SRTINCT]

You've decided to back Obama in spite of his obviously Muslim name. That's your decision.
D

Just shows how people manipulate assumptions and think they are facts. I haven't supported Obama anywhere in this thread, I've only disagreed with the tactic of the video in linking name and father's background. You're mistaken if you think my criticism of the video equates to support. The video does a disservice to the political process because it lowers the standards below the issues that matter. As an educated moderate Republican my vote will go to the candidate that best suits my beliefs which for the most part appears to be McCain. I won't be influenced by media/advertising puppetmasters to vote based on color, name, gender or religion.

 

[ChrisAZ]

Wow. Some people believe the hype. Oh well.

 

[Carlwalski]

Compare candidates positions on the issues important to you and then decide. The "it was on the internet, it must be true" mentality of the voting populace is down right scary.

100% AGREE MATE.


I'd Vote for Obama myself.

 

[Blacksnake]

Wow. Some people believe the hype. Oh well.[/QUOT

How about you tell me your thoughts on John Sidney McCain the third! Why does he earn your vote?

 

[Prof]

This is pretty healthy debate. I am on the sidelines for the time being, since my candidate was set aside...but I will have to decide eventually.

The posts that seem to be the most persuasive are those that deal with facts not innuendo, and those that tout the advantages of a candidate. The sniping at someone who you are not supporting seems to be pretty weak and far short of persuasion...

Are you guys sure you don't want to call Hillary back into play?

 

[ChrisAZ]

I am not necessarily Pro McCain. At the heart of it all, the reason I am voting for McCain comes down to the fact that he has a long history of being a patriotic American and anyone who has endured 5 years of torture must be an incredibly grounded individual who knows the meaning of life much better and from a much nearer perspective than 99.9% of the rest of us who were born in America and are alive today. Do I know his specific views on anything in particular? I can't say that I do. I know he has one hell of a resume and I think we all owe him a hell of a lot for his service to this country. He is a PATRIOT. Will he make the best decisions about every ailment we face as a nation if/while he is in office? No way. But I believe he must know the consequences of his decisions as well as anyone. He had 5 years to block out the pain and horrible living conditions and reflect on pretty much everything I would guess.

That being said, I feel that I am forced to choose the best candidate among men I would rather not be forced to choose in the first place. McCain is a Patriot. I challenge anyone to deny that. Is he a great politician and will he be a President we can all be proud of? That remains to be seen.

Then I look at Obama. The guy came out of nowhere and his resume is pretty lacking. I think many American people simply want to follow the fresh face with a happy message of change. I think that is a symptom of the current economy. How could we all not want change right now? Thinks are looking pretty bleak. Whenever times are tough in America, we vote for the President that shouts the most about change.

I also think some people believe an African American President would relieve this country of the burden we have carried for the years of legal slavery in this country. I actually think it will help in that way...as long as he is not assassinated. If he is assassinated we're all in deep doo doo.

If any of you guys want to flame me for my posts here it will teach me to keep my mouth shut about politics. My intentions are merely to throw out the scenarios as I see them to provoke thought about who we are voting for. McCain is an old guy that might just have health problems in office and might end up to be a war monger. Who the heck knows. All I know is Obama scares me when I consider many different scenarios. I am forced again to choose between two inferior candidates.

It is times like these when I wish I didn't have so many skeletons in my closet. I might just run for a political office. Unfortunately, you have to be so squeeky clean these days that very few of us would make it through a City election much less a State or Federal election without being dragged through the mud for past deeds. I wish I hadn't been so crazy from 16 to 19 years old.

Would any of you guys vote for someone who never went to college? How about someone who you discovered was a major partier as a teenager? What if the guy got a DUI? (I never have) Have you ever smoked pot? That one right there will absolutely kill your career unless you can get away with saying you never inhaled.

These are the basic things that so many of us did wrong in the past but would be brought out to harm us if we were to run in an election and posed a threat to an opponent with enough money to dig up dirt on you. Which leads me to my next point. None of us has enough money or backing to run for an office of any real power.

We have very few candidates to choose from because we are so critical of every little mistake a person has made in their lives. Until this changes, politics will be a game of spin control and big money. That eliminates most good candidates and that is why we might never have a good candidate to vote for. Only a career politician can make it to a position of power in this country. In my opinion, that makes politicians puppets, especially those in positions of public interest such as the President. We want the guy who fits the mold but the mold is all wrong. We're looking for the guy who has no skeletons in his past when we should be looking for the right guy for the job. Would you hire a welder who doesn't know much about welding but his reputation is spotless? No, because it is the skill and ability that matter not the personal repuation of the welder.

We hire (vote for) a President based on bullshit that doesn't matter. Does he have a clean past? Did he go to a good college? Local community college won't do kids. Does he have a good family? Is he married? That is also prety much required folks. Can you believe we won't vote for someone who is not married? What if he had a baby with a girl out of wedlock when he was 20? He would be crucified and never get past your neighborhood homeowners association election. The list goes on and on.

We fucked up the mold folks. I wonder if we can fix it someday? So once again in November I will go to the polls and vote for the best of the crappy candidates I have to choose from.

 

[Prof]

Interesting and thoughtful post Chris.

But I doubt that there are many that feel that our current President is not a patriot.

George W. loves this country and tries to do what he thinks is best. But he is so wrong in so many ways. Being a patriot is no defining criteria for being President.

McCain is a hero, and a man who thinks he knows what this country needs to do. The fact of the matter is that even as a hero he was broken by the North Vietnamese (he admits this) and was a man with incredible resolve and dedication to his country and fellow prisoners. Some of us here have been through SEAR training. One thing is learned in the process, no one can withstand the process. Everyone will break and say whatever is necessary to survive, period.

I have not decided who to support. But while I have a tremendous respect for what John endured, and how he conducted himself...that has nothing to do with what the leader of this country needs to be.

Let us dwell on the strengths of our particular choices...let the vetting process eliminate the dangerous prospects.

 

[Blacksnake]

Chris _ Thank You so much for posting, I honestly think you are the first I have seen to post up what you really do think about McCain.

I think so many people relate to Barack because of his past, and what he has done through out his life. He openly admits to experimenting with drugs, and smoking cigarettes. This is one of the reasons why he seams like an actual person to me. He will not except public funding! Why is McCain coming down on him for this, i do not know. He will not except money from large corporations. McCain will surpass Obama in funding because of all these large corporations donating to his campaign, with the largest being the oil company's. Did you hear Exxon Mobiles earnings report? They made more money last quarter than any company in the history of the world ever has! Does that make you sick! And we wont pass a wind fall tax to hit them on excessive profits while every one is suffering at the pump! uke: No instead they will benefit from 14 billion in tax breaks this year. I think if anyone is going to assassinate Obama it will be the oil industry.