Dealer Told Me Ceramic Brake Pads Will Warp The Stock Rotors???

shade said:
Had the posi's on the 10 for about 2k miles no issues at all.
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Do you have the part number of the pads? All 4?

Did you have to do any modification, or were they a direct fit?

TIA
 
I have to say after reading his 'bedding brakes' article I PM'd him my situations and he stated that without a doubt I needed to bed my brakes. I just got back from doing this...

NIGHT AND DAY DIFFERENCE!!:rock: :rock: :dancing: :dancing:

This man is dead on with his information on brakes! The last thing that I wanted to do is take my new (to me) truck in to the dealer to find out why brakes shudder.

This man is ON IT!!!

I thing he fails to mention in his article is that you may become nauseas from braking so fast and then accelerating. Holy crap I had no idea how fast this truck brakes!!

I will probably buy his pads to stop the dusting and squeking, I am just glad I don't need new rotors.

Again, Thank you Dave!

Paul
 
Thanks for the info David,
Over the years working with the Viper I have found that the brake pads we use depend on the customer and how he uses the car. Pedal feel, initial bite,
ability to withstand heat, rotor wear, dusting and noise is the major consideration on what we use.

Pads marketed as ceramic do not seem to work as well on the track, but on the street they seem to be fine. What is your opinion for moderate use on the truck. Are the EBC brand a decent compound? I have had mixed reviews.
 
rreinicherr said:
Both my front and rear pads begin with 106 semi metalic.
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Interesting. So how did your dealer come to the conclusion that these were "ceramic" pads? Were they placed in an incorrect box? Did your supplier tell you he was selling you ceramic pads? Or had your dealer used the Centric 105 pads in the past and just assumed all Centric Posi-Quiet pads were ceramic?

By the way, I mis-typed when I said the "106" was semi-metallic. The "104" pad is semi-metallic. The "106" pad is their "Extended-Wear" compound for trucks and SUVs. Sorry about that!
 
DC Performance said:
Thanks for the info David,
Over the years working with the Viper I have found that the brake pads we use depend on the customer and how he uses the car. Pedal feel, initial bite,
ability to withstand heat, rotor wear, dusting and noise is the major consideration on what we use.
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Excellent! That's the right way to sell brake pads. When a customer calls up asking for "semi-metallic" or "Kevlar", one needs to convince them they really need to describe what they are looking for in the new pads in terms of behavior. Sometimes it not easy to pry them away from their firmly held beliefs (or fear of) a single ingredient and sometimes they even get indignant that you're not just handing over what they are asking for. But in the end, it's worth it if you stick to your guns and make sure what you sell them is indeed the best solution fit for their requirements.

Pads marketed as ceramic do not seem to work as well on the track, but on the street they seem to be fine. What is your opinion for moderate use on the truck. Are the EBC brand a decent compound? I have had mixed reviews.
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Again, the "ceramic" label is not a good indication of how a pad will perform for a specific application. Hawk Performance Ceramic pads, for example, are very low dust, but they have poor bite and a 6% lower coefficient of friction than Hawk HPS. Since the HPS is already low dust, I tend to steer low-dust customers to that pad instead, since it offers better bite and pedal feel. Axxis Ultimate pads have Kevlar and ceramic in the compound. Last year, the box touted the Kevlar. This year, the box changed (but not the pad compound) and "CERAMIC" is plastered all over the box. Aside from the marketing shenanigans, this is my favorite street pad at any price - period. It's relatively dusty, but has excellent bite and great pedal feel. Low horsepower cars can get away with using this pad at the track. Higher horsepower cars can not, since it "poops" on the rotors when overheated. Brembo sells "ceramic" race pads for some of their aftermarket calipers. They're made for them, probably by Ferodo. These work well on the track, but are not rotor-friendly on the street. Since most pads advertised as ceramic are targeted at the low dust crowd, your observation is understandable. But as the Axxis and Brembo pads mentioned above show, there are exceptions. You'll need to rely on manufacturer guidance and feedback from customers, rather than jumping to any conclusions based on the ceramic label on the box.

EBC pads - that's an interesting one. In the BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc. communities, these pads have a terrible reputation. There isn't a pad more prone to leaving deposits on rotors and resulting in brake judder than the EBC Greenstuff. EBC is so defensive about this that they've put up a "troubleshooting" page on their site that blames the mechanic, the rotors, a stuck caliper, tires, and anything else they can think of, rather than fessing up and admitting that the EBC pads are the root cause. See: http://www.ebcbrakes.com/TroubleShooter.html. The typical sequence of events on a BMW message board is someone posting how they've just installed new Brembo (or Zimmerman, Balo, ATE, etc.) rotors and EBC Greenstuff pads and are loving the lack of dust. About a month later, they follow up and mention that their rotors have "warped" and they will never buy (insert rotor brand here) again. The poor rotors are merely innocent bystanders. It's the EBC Greenstuff pads that are the problem.

However, there's one community that seems to love the EBC Greenstuff and does not have problems with them. That would be the Viper community. I have no explanation for why this is the case. It's possible that EBC has a unique compound for the Viper. It may have to do with the way these cars are driven. Or it may be something else. I wish I understood this. Because when I have a current or former Viper owner coming to me for pads for his/her BMW, it's hard to convince them they should avoid EBC Greenstuff at all costs.
 
Its definately interesting,

When I became a member of this board almost everyone touted the EBC's and I didnt understand why(not that they are bad- I have ever tried them), especially when people complained the dust wasn't reduced much.

Other people try the performance friction from Autozone, which I tried on my non Viper'd ram and they were horrible, ceated brake judder in less than 4months of use.

As far as I am concerned I get the best of both worlds with the low dust and good bite from the Posi Quiets
 
Here are the complete part numbers for the Posi Quiet Pads.

106.07020 & 106.10850


Are they still low dust???? That is my biggest complaint!


THANKS!
 
rreinicherr said:
Here are the complete part numbers for the Posi Quiet Pads.

106.07020 & 106.10850


Are they still low dust???? That is my biggest complaint!


THANKS!
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Yes. These are very low dust pads. You'll be very happy.
 
DZeckhausen

How heavy are your rotors compared to stock?

I appreciate all this information. It is pretty awesome of you to share information with me and I did not even get the pads from you. That is far above the average seller. I will remember this when I get rotors.

YOU ARE A CLASS ACT!
:rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:
 
shade said:
Its definately interesting,

When I became a member of this board almost everyone touted the EBC's and I didnt understand why(not that they are bad- I have ever tried them), especially when people complained the dust wasn't reduced much.

Other people try the performance friction from Autozone, which I tried on my non Viper'd ram and they were horrible, ceated brake judder in less than 4months of use.

As far as I am concerned I get the best of both worlds with the low dust and good bite from the Posi Quiets
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what shade said !!!:D :rock:
 
For what it's worth, I'm really happy with my EBC 7000 series ceramic pads on my stock front rotors. It does take a long time to get them bedded properly, but after that, I can go through 2 tanks of gas before I start seeing front pad dust! :rock:
 
rreinicherr said:
I took my truck into the dealer to have a Suncoast Valve Body put in, tranny fluid change(Redline), rear differential oil changed(Redline), and then install the brake pads. I have the Posi Quiet Ceramic brake pads. They decided not to install them because it will warp my stock rotors. Too much heat is what the their tech said. They advised me to get after market slotted rotors to use with these brake pads. The only rotors they could find were Brembo rotors for 145 each. Does this make sense?


I was going to have my rotors turned and the pads installed. What do you guys think?

THANKS!
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The front rotors and pads on my QC were shot at 25,000 miles. The wear spec isn't very large and I was told the rotors are a throw away item...
 
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