Failure of Lehman Bros.

OCBob said:
You have zero pity for who exactly? I'm not sure by the way this is worded.

i have zero pity for the big bankers and i have zero pity for the people that signed those ARM loans thinking they were getting something for nothing. They were living high on the hog, they got into thier big house, it doubled or tripled in value. so what did they do next, go buy 100k in cars, boats, etc. now it has all collapsed on top of them.
 
Yep.......

Bush started the whole thing


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Archive for Wednesday, April 12, 2000


Fannie Mae Moves Against Predatory Loans

By Jennifer Oldham
April 12, 2000 in print edition C-1
The nation’s largest home loan financier announced guidelines Tuesday to fight predatory practices in the exploding mortgage market for buyers with low incomes and poor credit.
In a letter to mortgage lenders, Fannie Mae–a public company chartered by the government that buys one of four home loans made by banks–said it would refuse to purchase most mortgages with upfront fees of more than 5% of the loan amount.
The agency said it will also deny most loans with prepayment penalties and with credit life insurance policies.
Under the guidelines, it will also reject loans from lenders who fail to provide information on borrowers’ repayment performance to credit reporting agencies.
“As we begin to lend to more borrowers with lower incomes and blemished credit records, we want to make sure those borrowers understand that Fannie Mae and the lenders we work with will not practice predatory lending in any circumstance,” Fannie Mae spokeswoman Janice Daue said.
Freddie Mac, a company similar to Fannie Mae that also purchases home loans, announced similar guidelines last month. The company, however, didn’t place a limit on loan fees charged by sub-prime lenders. These lenders typically make loans that carry higher fees and interest rates to home buyers with low incomes and poor credit.
Sub-prime interest rates average 10% to 12% and carry upfront fees as high as 10% of the loan amount. In contrast, conventional borrowers with strong credit might pay 1% or less in fees and get interest rates of about 8%.
Predatory lending limits devised by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could have a marked effect on the nation’s mortgage market. Lenders typically consider policies set by these secondary mortgage market investors to be the industry standard.
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have come under fire recently for their decision to invest in the lucrative sub-prime market. Lawmakers worry that the financiers will inject funds into a market already plagued by aggressive sales tactics and hidden fees.
The increasing number of Americans with poor credit is in part fueling the expansion of the $150-billion sub-prime market. Lenders are scrambling to get into this market, which offers higher profit margins than the conventional lending arena.
Consumer groups recently called on Freddie Mac to explain why it had invested in high-interest home loans. According to spokesman Brad German, Freddie Mac bought the loans as part of an effort to understand how the sub-prime market worked.
Housing and Urban Development Secretary Andrew Cuomo is scheduled today to call for legislation that would make it illegal for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to purchase loans with unreasonable fees and prepayment penalties.
Cuomo also will release a HUD report that documents the growing abuses in sub-prime lending, especially in low-income neighborhoods and among African Americans, at the first meeting of HUD’s Task Force on Predatory Lending, said David Egner, a HUD spokesman.
“The federal government has an obligation to protect consumers against predatory lending practices,” Egner said. “Federal action is needed to ensure these protections are made permanent and have the force of law and aren’t voluntary actions by others that could be revoked at any time.”
HUD joins a growing number of legislators, regulators and consumer groups calling for new laws to protect borrowers from predatory lending practices that often lead to unaffordable mortgage payments or foreclosures. Several states are considering new laws to cap loan fees or mandate consumer education.
 
You make my point.

Set up under the Clinton administration and set aside by the Bush administration.
 
wheredwhogo? said:
i have zero pity for the big bankers and i have zero pity for the people that signed those ARM loans thinking they were getting something for nothing. They were living high on the hog, they got into thier big house, it doubled or tripled in value. so what did they do next, go buy 100k in cars, boats, etc. now it has all collapsed on top of them.

i do have pity for the children that are affected by this though. its not thier fault thier parents made the mistake...
 
wheredwhogo? said:
i have zero pity for the big bankers and i have zero pity for the people that signed those ARM loans thinking they were getting something for nothing. They were living high on the hog, they got into thier big house, it doubled or tripled in value. so what did they do next, go buy 100k in cars, boats, etc. now it has all collapsed on top of them.


I hear your thought, and it is valid as far as it goes. But those irresponsible borrowers and criminal lenders bring thousands of others down with them...such is the nature of our economy.
 
Another good read

take from it what you will

COVER STORY

Siblings Fat And Sassy

Friday, May 12, 2000
by Julie Kosterlitz

On a ravishing April afternoon, Fannie Mae Chairman Franklin Raines sits in his office at the company's bucolic campus on a hill above Washington and attempts to explain why his corporation -- an odd hybrid created by Congress during the Depression to make mortgages more available to American families -- is such a financial success and a darling on Wall Street, but is suddenly so beleaguered in its own hometown.
"I think as Fannie Mae has become more successful at what it does, it quite naturally occasions a lot of scrutiny, so I don't think that that is very unusual," he says in a deceptively mild first response. Then he takes off the velvet gloves and suggests that all of the company's critics (and perhaps even his interviewer) are inspired by a coterie of banks and mortgage insurers out to get Fannie Mae. "We have a very well-organized group of financial companies who have banded together with the express purpose of doing harm to Fannie Mae. If you spend enough money in Washington on lobbyists and PR people, you have an impact," Raines said.
That day's newspaper headlines illustrate clearly Fannie Mae's best-of-times, worst-of-times conundrum. A number of articles mention Raines, who was President Clinton's budget director, as a possible running mate for presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Al Gore. That's a high-water mark even for a company already legendary for its stable of politically well-connected executives and board members.
The other news of the day was more of a slap than an ego boost, and it came from Raines' former colleagues in the Clinton Administration, who believe that Fannie, and its similarly government-created sibling, Freddie Mac, might be exceeding their mission. In essence, Fannie Mae (short for Federal National Mortgage Association) and Freddie Mac (Federal Home Mortgage Corp.) are designed to create a larger pool of money for home purchasers. They do this by buying up loans that banks and other lenders make to home purchasers, and converting them into relatively safe mortgage-backed securities that are popular with many investors. But Housing and Urban Development Secretary Andrew Cuomo announced that day his intent to bar the siblings from buying so-called "predatory loans" that unscrupulous lenders increasingly make on onerous terms to low-income, higher-risk homebuyers. Cuomo's announcement pointedly pre-empted the companies' own planned announcements that they had intended to voluntarily screen out the controversial loans.
This good news-bad news seesaw on the Washington-Wall Street axis has been giving Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac motion sickness since at least the beginning of the year. Even as the two mortgage makers continued to post impressive financial results in the first quarter of 2000, they also racked up an unusually broad and serious set of political challenges from a variety of sources. And those challenges, although they involve many arcane financial issues, all revolve around the theme of whether Fannie and Freddie are just too big, and too powerful, for their own good, or for the good of the country.
The two have come to dominate the mortgage markets. According to the Treasury Department, Fannie and Freddie owned or guaranteed at the end of 1999 roughly 63 percent of all outstanding midsized, middle-class mortgages -- the kind of mortgages that most Americans have, and that technically are known as conforming, conventional mortgages. If Raines hews to his ambitious growth plans, and Freddie keeps a similar pace, the two will hold or guarantee more than 90 percent of these conventional, conforming mortgages and nearly half of all home mortgages by year's end in 2003, according to a report this year by the business-oriented think tank American Enterprise Institute. Meanwhile, the two are also fast becoming nearly as large a presence as the Treasury itself in the bond markets -- which serve the economy as key lubricants. As the federal government uses budget surpluses to pay down the federal debt, the siblings could soon be a bigger player in the financial markets, and a larger borrower, than Uncle Sam.
Some lawmakers want to rein in Fannie and Freddie, which now rank 26th and 62nd, respectively, on the Fortune 500 list of top American companies. Two leading members of the House Banking Committee -- Rep. Richard H. Baker, R-La., and Chairman Jim Leach, R-Iowa -- are pushing legislation to step up oversight of the two companies and to scale back government links to them. Budget Committee member Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., is pressing for oversight hearings in his committee, and Senate Banking Committee Chairman Phil Gramm, R-Texas, has also mentioned the possibility of hearings on the two companies this year. American Enterprise Institute is holding a series of symposia on the two companies and published a harsh report on them, while a new coalition of libertarian and budget hawk groups has promised to make the two a central focus of its agenda. Even left-leaning consumer advocate Ralph Nader -- the Green Party's presidential candidate -- is speaking out against Fannie Mae.
Some of this may appear old hat: For decades, academics, libertarians, and taxpayer watchdog groups in and out of government have questioned whether the special perks government gives Fannie and Freddie advance public, or merely private, interest, and whether the government's special ties to the two are putting taxpayers unknowingly at risk. But what's strikingly different is that today, after a decade of phenomenal growth by the two companies, even some of their traditional allies are getting squeamish.
Although many liberals see Fannie and Freddie as champions of working families and minorities, the Clinton Administration is becoming an increasingly harsh critic. HUD has criticized the two companies' track record on buying mortgages that lenders make to minorities, and it has set stiff new targets for the two to meet in backing loans made to disadvantaged homebuyers. In a move that has made waves on Wall Street, the Treasury Department recently questioned whether government ties to the two companies might actually be fostering risks to the nation's entire financial system. Treasury also endorsed portions of the Baker bill -- and even suggested additional limitations.
Fannie and Freddie's growth spurts have also engendered fear and loathing among some former allies in the private sector. Fearing the two juggernauts' encroachment into its markets, a coalition of banks, mortgage insurers, consumer lenders, and others in the home finance sector has, under the name FM Watch, begun a campaign to question Fannie and Freddie's size and mission. This is the group that Raines asserted was intent on causing "harm" to Fannie. For the first time, the two companies -- famous for spending freely for political insurance -- face antagonists with deep pockets of their own.
On Wall Street, where Fannie and Freddie are seen as endless profit machines, the hubbub in Washington amounts to just so much background noise. Financial analysts are betting that the two siblings will prevail politically, as they have time and again in years past. "I can't imagine the upside to a politician telling constituents, 'Look what I've done, I've raised [mortgage] interest rates,' " said Kenneth Posner, a specialty finance analyst for Morgan Stanley Dean Witter in New York City, who recently rated Fannie Mae stock shares a "strong buy."
But it's precisely the fear that the federal government has lost control of its own overgrown offspring that may yet inspire reforms. Certainly Fannie and Freddie are taking the threat seriously. The two are beefing up their already formidable lobbying legions and stepping up their political contributions. Fannie has also adopted a combative public stance in attacking its critics. Freddie Mac officials, on the other hand, tend to take a lower political profile and refused to be interviewed for this article.
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Verdana, Helvetica]Public-Private Hybrids[/FONT]
Congress created Fannie Mae as a government agency in 1938 and converted it in 1968 to a private company with some government connections -- technically called a government-sponsored enterprise. Freddie Mac was founded and chartered in 1970 as another such enterprise, originally serving different lenders and using different financial tools. In doing so, Congress hoped to combine the best of public- and private-sector attributes to form an efficient, profit-oriented enterprise to advance the public goal of homeownership.
The idea was to increase the supply of money available to lend to homebuyers by helping banks and other lenders get the same kind of access to capital held by private investors nationwide -- and, today, worldwide -- that governments and large corporations have long had. Before the two companies were created, funding for mortgages depended largely on the deposits available to local banks and savings and loans -- which were themselves restricted in how and where they could attract deposits.
Fannie and Freddie helped launch what is known as a "secondary market" for mortgages that links lenders with investors in two different ways: by selling bonds to investors and using the proceeds to buy mortgages from lenders, or by buying mortgages from lenders and repackaging them into securities that are then sold to investors. These "mortgage-backed securities" are essentially rights to a share of the interest and principal payments from many different homebuyers. In exchange for a fee, Fannie and Freddie guarantee that investors get their payments on time; the two, meanwhile, assume the risk that an individual borrower might default.
Although neither company lends directly to consumers, both have a huge influence on what kinds of loans get made. Because the two companies are the largest purchasers of mortgages from lenders (who would usually rather have more cash to lend than keep a mortgage on their books), the lenders usually adopt quickly the standards the two set for the loans they're willing to purchase. No one denies that Fannie and Freddie have been effective in realizing their original mandates. But there are sharp disagreements about the costs and benefits of continuing the arrangement.
The way Fannie's many admirers on Wall Street and some consumer advocates see it, this blend of public- and private-sector enterprise is a runaway success. At virtually no direct cost to the government, Raines and others argue, the two companies have not only helped launch a vibrant secondary market for mortgages -- thereby helping to pump up homeownership rates -- they have also saved borrowers money by making funds available to lenders at lower rates than would otherwise be available. "What we have shown is that this is the technique that gives the maximum benefit at the minimum cost," says Raines. "Remember, we don't get a nickel from the government."
Raines calculates that a consumer who gets the largest loan Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are allowed by law to buy (currently $252,700) will pay $19,000 less over the life of the loan than he or she would pay for a so-called "jumbo loan" of $252,701 made without Fannie Mae's backing. Such savings are possible, Raines says, because the company is efficient and innovative, and because it passes along to consumers all the benefits and savings conferred by its federal charter.
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Verdana, Helvetica]The Counterargument[/FONT]
But critics have long argued the reverse: that the government-sponsored enterprise represents the worst blending of government and capitalism by conferring private profit at public expense. Although the siblings get no direct cash handouts from the federal government, they do reap hefty benefits from their government lineage. They don't have to register with the Securities and Exchange Commission the debt or securities they issue (savings: $280 million in registration fees last year, according to the Treasury). They're exempt from state and local corporate income taxes (savings: roughly $690 million in 1999.) But by far the biggest benefit to the two is a broad hint by the U.S. government that it stands ready to make good on Fannie and Freddie's debt in the event of default.
This perk doesn't show up anywhere in federal law. Indeed, for the record, Uncle Sam disavows responsibility for Fannie and Freddie's debt, and the disclaimer is printed right on the companies' bonds.
Investors, however, watch what Uncle Sam does, not what he says. The government offers the two a $2.25 billion line of credit from the Treasury, and the Federal Reserve treats their bonds very much like government bonds. Fannie and Freddie securities can be used as collateral for public deposits and for loans from Federal Reserve banks, for example. Their securities are considered lawful investments for federal fiduciary and public funds -- so governments and public pension funds can invest in them, too.
Moreover, the federal government, which for reasons of safety and soundness normally limits how much capital banks can invest in any one company's debt securities, exempts Fannie and Freddie's debt securities from such limits. If all this isn't enough, the President of the United States appoints several members of Fannie Mae's board of directors.
History also reinforces investor beliefs: When interest rates rose to about 20 percent between 1979 and 1984 and left Fannie technically insolvent, the federal government granted the company tax relief and kept regulators from storming the place, until falling interest rates eventually rescued the company. Wall Street analysts need no additional convincing. "There's no explicit guarantee of their debt, but that implied guarantee is pretty powerful," Gary Gordon, a consumer finance analyst at PaineWebber, told CNN in mid-April while touting Fannie and Freddie's stock.
This implied guarantee is as lucrative as it is ethereal. Because of it, the markets let the two companies borrow money at substantially lower interest rates than other financial companies -- and below what their own credit ratings would seem to justify. In recent months, Treasury estimates, the two were able to borrow at roughly 0.4 percentage point below the rates available to banks and financial firms rated AA -- the same rating Standard & Poor's gave the two companies when it last rated them in 1996. The seemingly small differential represents a huge financial advantage. All told, the Congressional Budget Office estimated in 1996 that this "federal credit enhancement" -- which it considers a subsidy -- was worth about $6.5 billion total to Fannie and Freddie in 1995.
Moreover, the implicit federal guarantee of the siblings' debts grows automatically along with the size and risk that the two take on. "Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, rather than public officials, substantially control the amount of the subsidy provided," the CBO noted in its 1996 study. They "can increase the size of their benefit and the cost to the government by adjusting the composition of their business," the report said. And although Fannie Mae claims it passes its borrowing advantage along to consumers, the CBO said that Fannie and Freddie's sticky fingers extracted roughly one-third of the subsidy (some $2.1 billion in 1995) for the benefit of shareholders -- including their corporate officers, who are showered with stock options as part of their compensation.
Raines was paid nearly $3 million last year in salary, bonus, and other compensation, along with $1.3 million in payouts from long-term incentive plans. He was also awarded stock options valued at $4.3 million at the time they were granted. Freddie Mac's chairman and CEO, Leland C. Brendsel, received $1.4 million in salary and bonuses last year and owns $5.5 million in special stock from a long-term compensation plan, according to National Mortgage News.
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Verdana, Helvetica]No Longer Needed?[/FONT]
Just what is the public getting in return for subsidizing Fannie and Freddie? Not much, critics say. Today, when Wall Street has created its own vibrant secondary market in mortgages, Fannie and Freddie aren't really needed.
Economists have always been dubious about the siblings' claims that they lower consumers' costs. Passing along a portion of their federal subsidies may lower homebuyers' mortgage rates, but the effect may be to simply drive up housing prices. That's because the subsidy allows borrowers to buy a more expensive house than they otherwise could afford. Nor is it clear to skeptics that the two have actually done much to help anyone who would have otherwise been unable to purchase a home. To date, the two companies have almost exclusively served the solid, credit-worthy middle-class segment of the market that no longer needs much help getting a mortgage.
In 1992, Congress directed the two to use their loan purchasing power to help more low-to-moderate-income and minority homebuyers, and asked HUD to set and enforce goals. Although Fannie and Freddie met the first round of these so-called affordable-housing goals, HUD revealed in March that the two companies' purchases of loans made to African-Americans and Hispanics still fall substantially behind the efforts of banks and other private lenders.
Raines has vehemently protested the implication that Fannie somehow discriminates against blacks. The company, he points out, financed $8.4 billion in mortgages for African-American families in 1999 -- a 31 percent increase over its efforts in 1993 -- the first year HUD goals took effect. Freddie Mac officials have suggested their minority lending has been constrained in part by other contradictory federal regulatory requirements.
Even those who believe the two still offer consumers a worthwhile benefit are alarmed by the gigantic size of the two companies. The siblings have had an astonishing growth spurt, by any of a variety of measures. Fannie's own favorite boast is that it is one of only seven companies in the S&P's 500-stock index that has increased its earnings at double-digit rates in each of the past 13 years. And CEO Raines has promised Wall Street analysts that they can expect more of the same over the next four years.
Using another yardstick, Fannie and Freddie, together with another government-sponsored enterprise, the Federal Home Loan Bank, have more than quadrupled in size in the past decade from around $300 billion to $1.4 trillion in assets. And they are immensely profitable. In Capitol Hill testimony in March, Treasury officials said that between 1995 and 1999, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's average return on equity was about 24 percent. That compares with average return on equity, during the same period, of 15 percent for large banks, 12 percent for large thrifts and insurers, and 17 percent for securities firms. In fact, the two companies have begun marketing their own debt as a near substitute for no-risk Treasury bonds, coveted for their security and as a benchmark against which the markets can measure the risk of other bonds. Annointing themselves the new "benchmarks" -- if the markets agree with the characterization -- could make it even easier for the siblings to raise money cheaply in the bond markets, and continue to feed their expansion.
What worries government officials and some economists is that this growth could be adding risks both for taxpayers and the nation's financial system. That fear may seem an idle worry for companies that are as profitable and seemingly healthy as Fannie and Freddie are. But the worry is not about the prosperous present, but how the two might fare during an economic downturn.
First among these worries is that the fortunes of the two companies depend almost exclusively on the fate of the housing market -- which is typically very sensitive to changes in interest rates.
Second, after an unprecedented economic expansion and unparalleled rates of homeownership -- 67.1 percent of Americans now own their own homes -- some fear that the two companies are turning to riskier loans and ventures to maintain their extraordinary growth rates. The two companies have recently launched programs for acquiring home loans with low down payments and have begun wading into the so-called "subprime" market geared toward borrowers with less-than-stellar credit. (Entering that market is partially influenced by the need to meet HUD's "affordable housing" requirements.) And they have begun retaining more loans and mortgage-backed securities in their own portfolio, instead of selling them to other investors -- a move that increases both risks and returns for the two companies.
 
Part II

It was too long

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Verdana, Helvetica]Evaluating The Risk[/FONT]
Just how risky are Fannie and Freddie? No one really knows, and that's what worries some members of Congress and the Clinton Administration.
The fear in Washington is that large investors -- usually the most sophisticated and most motivated to sniff out risk -- are stocking up on the companies' debt and fueling its expansion without subjecting it to the same scrutiny they would normally apply to other companies, because they believe a federal guarantee backs the debt.
And some lawmakers fear that government regulation of Fannie and Freddie is hopelessly inadequate. "My concern is that there is not an office to whom I can turn and say to them, 'Tell me with a degree of professional assurance that [the companies' safety nets are] sufficient to handle an economic downturn,' " said Baker, the chairman of the House Banking subcommittee on Capital Markets, Securities, and Government-Sponsored Enterprises, in an interview with National Journal.
Athough Congress in 1992 set up a new regulatory agency -- with the cumbersome moniker Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight -- to oversee the safety and soundness of the two companies, Baker and others fear it is hopelessly outgunned. Freddie and Fannie "are extremely complex, enormously sophisticated companies, and frankly are at a mismatch with OFHEO's resources," Baker said.
A case in point, said Baker: The office was charged in 1992 with setting up a risk measurement test that would help determine how much of a capital cushion the companies would be required to set aside. Eight years later, the rule is not yet in place. In the meantime, Fannie and Freddie operate with a smaller ratio of capital reserves to assets than other financial institutions. Treasury estimates that Fannie and Freddie have about $32 of debt for each dollar of capital, compared with roughly $11.50 of debt for banks and $25 of debt for the five largest stock brokerage firms
The oversight office also enjoys less political independence than other financial regulators, because although it, too, is financed by fees levied on those whom it regulates, it alone has its budget set by Congress, where the two companies enjoy a good deal of influence.
Baker's legislation, introduced in February, aspires to increase investor scrutiny of Freddie and Fannie by taking steps to limit the appearance of a federal guarantee -- mainly by doing away with the companies' never-used line of credit to the Treasury. And he wants to step up government oversight of the two companies, as well as the Federal Home Loan Bank, by consolidating regulatory authority -- now split between three agencies -- into a new, more powerful entity. The bill is a good deal less ambitious than other government attempts to rein in the two companies. Flush with its electoral victory in 1980, the Reagan Administration tried, and failed, in the early 1980s to cut the companies entirely loose from the government's apron strings.
Parts of Baker's legislation got an unexpected boost when Treasury Undersecretary Gary Gensler testified at the first hearing on the bill in late March. Gensler warned that government perks had fueled growth at Fannie, Freddie, and the Federal Home Loan Bank to the point where troubles at the institutions could pose a problem for the rest of the financial system. Indeed, Treasury created an internal office in 1997 to keep an eye on these dangers.
Gensler also raised concerns about the banking industry's heavy reliance on the two companies' bonds. The banking industry has acquired some $210 billion worth of Fannie and Freddie bonds as their first line of defense in a downturn, a total that represents more than a third of total bank capital. And more than 41 percent of commercial and savings banks have sunk all of their capital in debt issued by Fannie, Freddie, and other government-sponsored enterprises, according to Baker. Government's best defense against such a risk, Gensler argued, is to help the market police itself, which several provisions of Baker's bill would do. Among those provisions are: ending the Treasury's credit line; letting the regulator appoint a receiver, should the companies get into trouble; requiring an annual credit rating; and limiting activities that exceed the companies' charters. Gensler also suggested that Congress seriously consider repealing the exemption Fannie and Freddie's bonds now enjoy from the government rule that a bank put no more than 10 percent of its capital in any one corporation's bonds.
When Treasury speaks, the bond markets listen. In the days after Gensler's remarks, the price of Fannie and Freddie's bonds fell substantially -- a change that can translate into millions of dollars in extra interest costs on the billions of dollars' worth of bonds the companies sell each year.
Baker's legislation is also likely to get a boost from FM Watch, the cadre of disgruntled lending companies that fears Freddie and Fannie's quest for additional business and profits will create new subsidized competitors.
FM Watch was inspired in large part by an incident in October 1998, when Freddie Mac quietly succeeded in adding language to an obscure appropriations bill that would have permitted the company to get into the mortgage insurance business. Although mortgage insurers and lenders found out in time to kill the move, the incident "scared the hell out of them," said Karen Shaw Petrou, a housing finance consultant who, along with her husband, Basil Petrou, consults for FM Watch.
Today, the group includes nine industry trade groups and boasts a board made up of top executives from some of the largest names in the business: William F. Aldinger, the chairman and CEO of Household International; Dennis Dammerman, the chairman and CEO of GE Capital Services; Maurice R. Greenberg, the chairman of insurance behemoth American International Group; William B. Harrison Jr., the president and CEO of Chase Manhattan Corp.; Richard M. Kovacevich, the president and CEO of Wells Fargo & Co.; and Thomas H. O'Brien, the chairman and CEO of PNC Bank Corp.
"We have no concern with their original mission of providing liquidity in the secondary market. Our problem is when they get into primary markets that are served by private companies," said W. Michael House, a partner at the Washington law and lobbying firm of Hogan & Hartson who serves as FM Watch's executive director. FM Watch members cite as examples Fannie's attempt to provide mortgage insurance and home equity lines of credit. There's also Freddie Mac's Home Steps program, which sells the homes on which the company forecloses -- but which HUD has described as a real estate brokerage unit -- and Fannie Mae's new program to buy home improvement loans made by Atlanta-based Home Depot. In late April, several savings-and-loan trade groups wrote to Baker complaining that Freddie Mac is violating its charter by teaming up with Microsoft Corp. and four banks to create an Internet mortgage brokerage company.
Competitors fear that both companies have been moving steadily to build relationships directly with consumers, in violation of their charters, instead of being the invisible force behind retail lenders; it's a charge Raines strongly denies. Since 1994, Fannie Mae has, through its nonprofit foundation, run major television advertising campaigns aimed at promoting homeownership. Last year, the foundation spent nearly $35 million on the ads, according to the Competitive Media Reporting and Publishers Information Bureau. Fannie Mae portrays the ads, which are aimed mainly at nontraditional buyers, such as blacks and Hispanics, as educational. But some lenders see the ads as an attempt to minimize their role, and share of profits, in the loan-making process. Fannie Mae is "making more of an effort to increase their brand awareness with the end customer," Richard Beidl, an analyst at the Tower Group in Needham, Mass., told American Banker last year.
The same fear extends to Fannie and Freddie's new automated underwriting systems, which have compressed the loan approval process to a fraction of its previous time. Lenders using the systems -- a growing number do -- can let prospective homebuyers know whether they qualify in the first few minutes they sit at the lender's desk. Technically, the two companies don't deal directly with the customer. But in essence, the new systems standardize the loan-making process and restrict the retail lender's opportunities for profit.
The way Raines sees it, these concerns are merely sour grapes by companies that stand to lose business because they don't offer consumers the best deal. "We call them 'the Coalition for Higher Mortgage Costs,' which is some very big banks, mortgage insurance companies, subprime lenders, and appraisers. All have a financial interest in raising Fannie Mae's costs and making it harder for us to do our job."
Morgan Stanley's Posner says that technology has allowed the two companies to revolutionize the mortgage marketplace by cutting out middlemen and creating products that defy old categories -- which is good news for consumers. "The moral of the story is, 'Those who are winning are those who offer the best product, most flexibility, and value-added,' " said Posner. As for mission creep, Posner says, "I think anything that has a house attached to it and is a loan is fair game" for Fannie and Freddie.
But economists say that it's tough to have a real discussion about innovation and consumer benefit in a market where competition is skewed: AT&T and Microsoft have both argued that consumers benefited from their market dominance. "One of the trade-offs for getting [special government treatment] is that the two are not supposed to compete with private-sector corporations," said AEI's Wallison.
HUD, the agency in charge of ensuring that the two companies adhere to the terms of their government charter, has also begun to raise questions about their proposed ventures into new areas. In late December, the agency sent Fannie and Freddie stern letters asking for information about a variety of new products, and warning them that HUD has the authority to end the programs if it finds they exceed their charters.
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Verdana, Helvetica]Powerful Friends[/FONT]
Yet for all the slings and arrows the two companies have endured lately, it's still tough to envision Congress taking action on the Baker bill or anything like it. "Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac at a moment's notice can inform all 535 elected members of Congress just how many houses in their districts and states save how much money every month by having the [government-sponsored enterprises] in the secondary market," wrote Kim N. Wallace, a Lehman Brothers analyst, in an investor newsletter in late March.
Moreover, the two companies have cultivated strong relationships with the African-American community, a move that has injected an undercurrent of racial politics into efforts to rein the two companies in. At Baker's hearing, subcommittee members Maxine Waters, D-Calif., and Stephanie Tubbs Jones, D-Ohio, who are both members of the Congressional Black Caucus, lit into Baker and the Administration witnesses for questioning the two companies. "I don't want you to come in here and point the finger at the only [government-sponsored enterprise] who meets with my minority banks and who purchases [mortgages] in ways that I don't think others would do," Waters said in scolding Federal Housing Administrator William Apgar, who has cited the two companies for inadequate efforts on acquiring mortgages made to blacks and Hispanics. "I can't do much about the mortgage entities that charge exorbitant fees and are foreclosing on my constituents day in and day out. So I don't want Fannie Mae to be diminished, because it is responsive. I want them to expand their lending."
And Fannie Mae itself, its do-gooder public image notwithstanding, has acquired a reputation for no-holds-barred attacks on those it perceives as undermining its interests -- be they government officials, academics, or journalists. After Gensler's testimony before Baker's subcommittee in late March roiled the market for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bonds, a Fannie Mae official called Gensler's remarks "inept," "irresponsible," and "unprofessional." Fannie Mae Corporate Vice Chairman Jamie Gorelick, the former No. 2 in the Clinton Administration's Justice Department, called former White House colleagues to complain, and Raines appealed directly to Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers.
A week later, Fannie Mae publicly attacked Gensler again. Vice President of Corporate Relations David Jeffers charged that Gensler's remarks at the hearings, by disrupting the market for the companies' bonds, had cost 208,000 families a chance at homeownership. "There are some people who do not believe in the idea behind Fannie Mae," Jeffers said, suggesting that this was the spirit of Gensler's remarks. Jeffers later apologized for the comments, saying his analysis was "neither accurate nor appropriate." Since then, Fannie Mae has backed off its tough rhetoric toward the Clinton Administration. After implying that Treasury and HUD also fell into the category of critics mobilized by FM Watch, Raines took pains to say he thought the two agencies were merely carrying out their legally required oversight responsibilities, and that this oversight was "not at all objectionable in any way."
But the company is still waging a war of words with Baker, who has accused Fannie of "intimidating others from considering the bill." In the interview with National Journal, Raines suggested that Baker was doing the bidding of FM Watch, and that his bill was designed "directly to implement the program of the 'Coalition for Higher Mortgage Costs.' "
It's a theme Fannie's allies also sound repeatedly. At Baker's hearings, for example, Waters suggested that Gensler and Baker were deliberately trying to advance FM Watch's agenda. Baker, for his part, said that his bill was designed "independently of FM Watch" and that it follows closely recommendations made by the Government Accounting Office and the CBO.
Fannie Mae has also taken aim at the two authors of the American Enterprise Institute study critical of Fannie and Freddie, noting that one author, Bert Ely, is a banking consultant, and that Wallison, a resident fellow at the institute, once sat on the board of directors of MGIC, a large mortgage insurance company. (He resigned from MGIC's board last fall.)
Critics question whether the tactics that have worked for Fannie Mae will continue to prove effective. "By contending now that the mere mention of reform means turbulence for national mortgage rates, and by presuming it can intimidate the very government that sponsors its activities, Fannie Mae is itself providing the strongest justification for concern over its size," said Baker in an April statement.
Wallison, for his part, contends that the companies' own ambitions will eventually lead to reform. "At some point, no matter how generously they interpret their charters, they will run out of things to buy. In other words, change is inevitable; it's only a matter of time."
Reporting intern Megan Twohey helped research this report.
 
Django said:
My Oceanside house is still worth double what I paid for it in '98......

My desert house broke my back, though..... Shit happens....

D

Hurry Up sell it:D
 
If possible sell high not low...but I think the sale has been accomplished.

We are not always in control, sometimes other powers cause violation of the principle...
 
These were the Creative Mortgages That were heavily Marketed During the fake boom years: .... Interest only
- don't build equity, just rent the money to buy the
house and pretend you're a homeowner

...... No doc loan
- The "liar Loan", enabled a vegetable picker in
Salinas, Ca with $14k in annual Income to get
a $750K mortgage

......... NINJA
- No income, No Job or Assets, Enough said

........... Negative Amortization
- use if you can afford even the interest-only
payment
- This was the ultimate Ponzi loan; impossilbe
to refi, so you can only get out if you find
a chump to buy it WAY ore than you did.
These are the reasons. Not Bush. oh btw Gone are the
days of the Ninja. Most of these loans are Endangered
Species.
 
OCBob said:
No, you can only tell who is saying what, you can't tell what either of them will actually do.

Here is a list of earmarks for fy2008. You will notice that neither party has a stranglehold on the practice. You will also notice that Presidential earmarks were almost 20% higher than Congressional earmarks. Haven't heard anyone talking about that though.

http://www.taxpayer.net/earmarks.php

They are all f***ing crooks and will do whatever it takes to gain power and to stay there. I can't believe how often I have to jump on the side of the Dems here, not that I like them any better, just that I can't stand by and watch bullshit from either side go unnoticed.

I'm sure lots of people here probably think I am a Democrat even. Just to set the record straight, since I have turned 18 (nearly 30 years ago), only once did I vote for a Democrat presidential candidate. I have voted for Dems in some lesser elections. I don't give my vote to any one party though, the candidate has to earn it.


And our F-Word Moderator uses the F-Word in the non-offensive forum.;) :p :D

Got you Bob.:D :eek: :congrats:

I forgot to add, I agree with you.:rock:
 
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Silverback said:
And our F-Word Moderator uses the F-Word in the non-offensive forum.;) :p :D

Got you Bob.:D :eek: :congrats:

I forgot to add, I agree with you.:rock:
Oops hehehe. Thought I was in another thread I guess. Better clean up after myself LOL.
 
Lol its because anything to do with politics is immediately offensive to at least half that read it, and should be in the offensive section.
 
The more I read Anti-Bush posts, the more I support him. The president is an easy target to throw stones at, republican or democrate. BTW...yeah...it's Bush's fault everyone over spent their boundries and hinged their lives on the real estate market. Yeah, it's Bush's fault there is a limited supply of oil. Yeah, it's Bush's fault we have natural disasters creating economic hardship. To quote a great "person" (Cartman)...."democrats piss me off".
 
A lot of us that scream about Bush are Republicans.

Maybe Rinos at the moment but nevertheless republicans.

You are a dwindling breed...just what are the approval ratings today?
 
3 years ago the media was complaining that the housing market was going up out of control. Now that the bubble has popped the media is complaining that the housing market is going down. 95% are paying their obligations the rest were way over their heads. This is an adjustment to the market happens all the time no matter who is president.
 
Adjustments don't have to be traumatic.

This kind of adjustment is very dangerous, and impacts all of us not just a particular vertical market.
 
black pearl said:
3 years ago the media was complaining that the housing market was going up out of control. Now that the bubble has popped the media is complaining that the housing market is going down. 95% are paying their obligations the rest were way over their heads. This is an adjustment to the market happens all the time no matter who is president.
My case was different than many. I lost my job, and could no longer afford the massive house payments that are part of SoCal. The problem for me was that the value of the house dropped so bad there was no way I could avoid foreclosure. Take my word for it, I would have much rather paid my obligations than to take that route. And I would hazard to guess that a lot of other folks would too, not all, but there are those that still respect their obligations.

But this does effect everyone in this country, whether you realize it or not. People are in danger of losing thier 401k's, college funds, etc. In fact the FDIC came out today warning people that have over the insured amount in ANY of their bank accounts to be very careful (that was 38% of bank accounts btw). Sounds to me as if they expect more trouble down the road.
 
Alt "a" is the next Crisis After the Subprime. By mid 2009 500,000 Mortgage's Will Be "resetting". More Foreclosures to come. This is gonna be worse than Subprime
 
Okay, okay, okay!

So things are bad, and everybody gets to take a bite of the shit sandwich that we've all made. What do we do now?

Following this thread (and others of its ilk), I read 99% B&M (bitching and moaning), and 1% solution. Why? Pissing about things is easier than solving them.

Turn this effin' thread around, and start working on some solutions here!:rock:

Bonus points if the suggestions are non-partisan.;)
 

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