The Philosophy Thread - an Experimental Therapy:

[Django]

Thanks !


I just keep holding on to the fact that Jesus is THE healer and I believe that I will be healed of this just as I have been from other sicknesses.

I pray that your healing is swift and complete.... (Mark 11:24)

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[Django]

So how many Christians does it take to screw in a lightbulb, then....?

I'm not sure.... I'll have to pray about it....... lol

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[Prof]

Prayer is a very personal issue in my mind...I have seen the toughest most fearsome people screaming aloud for God to help...if that comforts them or gives them hope, great. It certainly helps me. But we need to be wise in what we pray for. Just seems prudent from a spiritual point of view to pray that God's will be done. Other than than is pretty selfish in one way or another.

 

[OCBob]

Prayer is a very personal issue in my mind...I have seen the toughest most fearsome people screaming aloud for God to help...if that comforts them or gives them hope, great. It certainly helps me. But we need to be wise in what we pray for. Just seems prudent from a spiritual point of view to pray that God's will be done. Other than than is pretty selfish in one way or another.

The question that comes to mind for me right away, is have you even seen them answered?

 

[Django]

Prayer is a very personal issue in my mind...I have seen the toughest most fearsome people screaming aloud for God to help...if that comforts them or gives them hope, great. It certainly helps me. But we need to be wise in what we pray for. Just seems prudent from a spiritual point of view to pray that God's will be done. Other than than is pretty selfish in one way or another.

Prayer is probably the most personal thing in all the world.... and yes I have seen it answered.

My wife is the answer to most all of my prayers... and she proves it every day.

Many answers to prayer are given without even asking. "Beyond anything we can ask or think"....

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[Django]

Question:

Did God create evil.................. ? The Bible says so....: Isaiah 45:7

I welcome your philosophical input:

Please note that there is a demerit for the first person who makes the statement: "Without evil there can be no good"............ I think everyone's well aware of that by now........

Is it (so simply) that evil is inexorably linked to free will.....?

Is there free will if God sees the beginning from the end.....?

Is there a preconceived destiny for our lives. If so, does free will enable us to alter the course of that destiny?

Is evil nothing more than that which we must overcome in this life on earth?

What do you think.....?

D

 

[Prof]

Question:

Did God create evil.................. ? The Bible says so....: Isaiah 45:7

Man creates evil, God created the concept but man decides who and what evil is and if he will or will not engage the concept.

Well that means something to 30% of human beings

I welcome your philosophical input:

Please note that there is a demerit for the first person who makes the statement: "Without evil there can be no good"............ I think everyone's well aware of that by now........

Is it (so simply) that evil is inexorably linked to free will.....?

Yes.

Is there free will if God sees the beginning from the end.....?

Sure as long as there is no intervention.

Is there a preconceived destiny for our lives.

I don't think so...that is the aegis of free will.

If so, does free will enable us to alter the course of that destiny?

No Destiny...

Is evil nothing more than that which we must overcome in this life on earth?

We don't have to...we can decide to embrace it...

What do you think.....?

Now that is a really tough question...maybe we really don't! On the other hand if Sarah Palin is in the room I know what I will be thinking...and evil will be omnipresent in my mind!

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How was that?

 

[TheSickness]

What is considered Evil and who is the ultimate judge of what is deemed evil or not ? Why ? Surly you can give examples like Manson and Dahmer...But to them they were not evil...

 

[Django]

How was that?

It wasn't a test.....

Succinct..... But still in deabte.

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[Django]

What is considered Evil and who is the ultimate judge of what is deemed evil or not ? Why ? Surly you can give examples like Manson and Dahmer...But to them they were not evil...

Each one of has been given more than sufficient faculties to make that distinction.

But, just to burst your bubble and to (in a way) pull a "Roy" on you. Here's an excerpt from one of Dhamer's police interviews:

On Wed., 7-24-91, I, Det. KENNEDY on Squad 126, while interviewing the suspect in this offense, that being one Jeffrey L.. DAHMER, spoke to him in regards to the fact that he had knowledge to whether or not the acts he was comitting were right or wrong. At this time, Mr. DAHMER stated that he was fully aware that the acts he was committing were wrong and that he feels horrified that he was able to carry out such an offense.

That settles that shit.....

With respect to Manson: Who gives a shit what he thinks... That fkrs crazy....

I don't buy into any form of subjectification of the opposites (maya) that exist on earth. And I don't belive that anyone with there feet on the ground does either...

Moral relativism is bullshit.... It's not philosophical it's scatalogical.

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[Prof]

... it's scatalogical.D

scatOOOOlogical...you sent me to the dictionary on that shitty word...I thought you found something that sounded a little "poopie" but meant something else...alas...just a slip of the fingers...Firefox would have caught that.

 

[Django]

scatOOOOlogical...you sent me to the dictionary on that shitty word...I thought you found something that sounded a little "poopie" but meant something else...alas...just a slip of the fingers...Firefox would have caught that.

It was an influence of the damn Greeks...(orig: "Skata") and Freudian in its misspelling ....

It literally means a knowledge of shit......

Some folks think they're smart...... But they don't know their shit...

Thanks

BTW Firefox constipated my cpu.. Had to remove it.

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[Prof]

...BTW Firefox constipated my cpu.. Had to remove it.

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Too bad. It really is a great browser...maybe give Google Chrome a try???

 

[Django]

Too bad. It really is a great browser...maybe give Google Chrome a try???

Is there a philosophical angle to all this browser stuff...........?

If not, I'll just go back to the Dodgers game.....

GO BLUE!

D

 

[Django]

A philosphical question............:

Is thinking about something sinfully lustful really equal to actually doing it....?

For the TRUE answer, ask your wife...............

D

 

[HOT RAM]

Question:

Did God create evil.................. ? The Bible says so....: Isaiah 45:7

I welcome your philosophical input:

Please note that there is a demerit for the first person who makes the statement: "Without evil there can be no good"............ I think everyone's well aware of that by now........

Is it (so simply) that evil is inexorably linked to free will.....?

Is there free will if God sees the beginning from the end.....?

Is there a preconceived destiny for our lives. If so, does free will enable us to alter the course of that destiny?

Is evil nothing more than that which we must overcome in this life on earth?

What do you think.....?

D

In the original Hebrew there were causitive verbs and permissive verbs that were sometimes translated incorrectly.Where it says God "created" evil,could it not have also been translated "allowed" evil ? Could it not also mean "physical" evil vs. "moral" evil ?

I received an e-mail sometime ago about evil and good.It basically said that there really is no such thing as evil ,rather only the absence of good.Same as there is no such thing as darkness,only absence of light.Also ,there is really no such thing as cold,only absence of heat.These are all scientific principles.You can't make darkness,you can only add or remove light.You can't really make cold either,only add or remove heat (absolute zero is calculated as total absence of heat).

Evil (death,hell,and the grave) has been defeated by Jesus long ago.We merely have to enforce that defeat.We are like an occupying army.The battle has already been won,we just have to occupy 'til He comes.The Bible says that we are "more than conquerors through Him".A "more than conqueror" is one who reaps the reward without having to win the fight.

Now that doesn't mean that life is easy.We still must fight the "good fight of faith".What is a good fight ? One that you win ! The fight of faith is fighting to believe what God says about us is true .

God sees the end from the beginning,yet He allows us to make our own decisions.He will try to guide us into what is best and yet still allow us to choose.When Israel was ruled by judges and priests ,the people rose up and wanted to be as other nations and have a king.My paraphrase is that God said,"it's gonna ruin ya' !" But He gave them a king anyway,because they insisted.

Just my .02

 

[HOT RAM]

A philosphical question............:

Is thinking about something sinfully lustful really equal to actually doing it....?

For the TRUE answer, ask your wife...............

D

Well,ahem..................Jesus said that "whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart"

So..........yes.

I have been guilty MANY times !! it is my major weakness

 

[Django]

In the original Hebrew there were causitive verbs and permissive verbs that were sometimes translated incorrectly.Where it says God "created" evil,could it not have also been translated "allowed" evil ? Could it not also mean "physical" evil vs. "moral" evil ?

Nice try my brother..... I think you've intentionally ignored John 1:3.... "and without him (The Word) was nothing made that was made".... Nothing isn't a very massageable word.

If anything, I'd buy that God made evil available......There are a lot of words for evil... So many in fact, that I had to restrain myself when I read that God repented of the evil that would do to the children of Israel when Moses caught them having an orgy around the golden calf at the foot of Mt Sinai.....

(God apparently screws up, repents and does evil) It's a shit translation.

I received an e-mail sometime ago about evil and good.It basically said that there really is no such thing as evil ,rather only the absence of good.Same as there is no such thing as darkness,only absence of light.Also ,there is really no such thing as cold,only absence of heat.These are all scientific principles.You can't make darkness,you can only add or remove light.You can't really make cold either,only add or remove heat (absolute zero is calculated as total absence of heat).

Sounds like more relativism to me, but I won't argue.... As a guy who's been around the block a coupl'a times, I can't argue with the fact that evil is obviously the absence of love. But it also carries a responsibility with it. Free will raises it's ugly head again.

Evil (death,hell,and the grave) has been defeated by Jesus long ago. We merely have to enforce that defeat.We are like an occupying army.The battle has already been won,we just have to occupy 'til He comes.The Bible says that we are "more than conquerors through Him".A "more than conqueror" is one who reaps the reward without having to win the fight.

I am quite familiar with the "occupation and dominion" teachings. They are also tied into the scriptures that prophesy His not coming "Until we all come into a unity of the faith. One God, One Faith , one baptism"... With about 38,000 Christian denominations that argue over every aspect of doctrine from baptism itself to the fruits vs: gifts of the spirit, tongue talking or not, snake handlers, Catholics who worship idols etc, etc... I don't see a unity of the faith or "dominion on this earth" anytime soon....

Now that doesn't mean that life is easy.We still must fight the "good fight of faith".What is a good fight ? One that you win ! The fight of faith is fighting to believe what God says about us is true ..

I won't argue with having a positive confession regarding who we are to God. But the concept has been hijacked so far down the road that it has virtually it's own religion now... The Word of faith Movement.... I was raised on John G. Lake, A.W. Tozer, Kenyon, Kenneth Hagin Sr and Jr, Kenneth Copeland, Frederick K. Price and Jerry Savelle. I've even led worship for some of those guys.... But not only was Mark 11:24 not meant to be used as man's personal wish list.... I haven't seen anyone who had cancer miraculously healed from confessing it either... (by the way, I left out Norvel Hayes cuz he's a pretty cool guy from yer neck'a the woods... Cleveland Tenn.)

God sees the end from the beginning,yet He allows us to make our own decisions.He will try to guide us into what is best and yet still allow us to choose.When Israel was ruled by judges and priests ,the people rose up and wanted to be as other nations and have a king.My paraphrase is that God said,"it's gonna ruin ya' !" But He gave them a king anyway,because they insisted.

Just my .02

As Eric said, that doesn't hold water. Omniscience is not a relative term. Neither is Omnipotent (back to creating evil again) Any being who possess both of those abilities must create a being with the all forknowledge of what he will be and where he will go..etc etc. That nullifies any free will. Because otherwise he could possibly be seeing the future in error....

Don't get me started on the judges and the tribe of Levi...... My head may explode.... and I'm not wearing my philactery.....

Yer a very nice man, Nelson......

I love you, bro....... Yer a true believer.... with a great and sincere confession.

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[Django]

Well,ahem..................Jesus said that "whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart"

So..........yes.

I have been guilty MANY times !! it is my major weakness

I must (once again) disagree.....

I've been married since Jesus was here the first time..... (Shut TF up Roy... it's called "literary license").. and I have NEVER cheated on Lynette. This I can assure you with all honesty....

And if a beautiful woman is anywhere within eyesight, I am (admittedly) affected... It is in my DNA... it's in every mans chemistry to be chemically arosed to some degree. That is not to say that I allow my mind to then become fixated on sexual fantasies with her... But I can't help but be affected and take major notice of her hotness..... As in "Lordy, Lord, Lord"..

If that's the same thing as doing it with her... Well, my wife is the strictest Christian on planet earth. And even SHE will tell you.... The fact that I haven't actually been physically unfaithful has preserved our marriage through several decades...... APPRECIATING ANOTHER WOMAN? IT AIN'T THE SAME.

Perhaps it's just another lost in translation.....

Every honest theologian that I know has candidly admitted that every swinging dick in this congregation has looked upon "another woman" with fond appreciation... God made us this way in order to perpetuate the species. So if he's gonna come down on us for following the natural order of his creative purpose, He better cut alot more effing slack that that...

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[TheSickness]

I have a Doctorate in Scatology :rock: