WTF

Btw: When you do pull the engine, there has been a lot of discussion lately where to
find the engine serial number that is stamped on the rear of the block. We all are
kind of curious where (which side) and the location of the stamp.
If you find any other numbers, that would be great to know those too...
Real clear pictures please...
 
Well,
Just in case the thought might cross your mind, here in the U.S. we sell Flex Tape.
For $4.99 its worth a shot. ~lol
.... but truly, I feel bad for you, especially since you're out of the country. Its hard
enough to find parts here.
Your a mad Man lol
 
I am not 100% sure, righthand side (the one with the steering wheel hahaha) by 2nd piston
Looks to be around the oil channel to the pump to the front of the sensors and the timing cover area ,,,, I’m still guessing .. post up when you know .
 
Nothing will be happening for quite some time. Have not even found a place to store it. Just abandoned outside with a cover over it in the railway depot. Just numb.
 
Nothing will be happening for quite some time. Have not even found a place to store it. Just abandoned outside with a cover over it in the railway depot. Just numb.
Were you not able to get your girl home to your garage after this happened??? Do you have towing service? How can we help???
 
Nothing will be happening for quite some time. Have not even found a place to store it. Just abandoned outside with a cover over it in the railway depot. Just numb.
Don’t blame you .. it stinks ..
 
Have found a generous person with a big garage and some help. Have started to dismantle to remove engine. Work gets in the way. However from a bore scope pictures there is slight marks on top of #3 piston where the inlet valve has been slightly touching and turning the unconnected piston. Through the small hole in the block the conrod has let go just above the bid end and spins freely on crank. Rocker covers are off and nothing to see there. All good. Consensous of opinion is just a random rod failure. Also the consensous of opinion is to repair hole, build a forged bottom end, upgrade cam followers, pushrods, cam and possible head rework. Looking very close at Southeast Performance I like what they do and the science behind it. Still we are getting ahead of ourselves. As per usual the budget will dictate the plan. BUT it will be planned and executed by sticking to the plan. So far I am confident we can build a strong forged engine with near Striker head performance, maybe 600RWHP according to initial investigations. I am picking probably $15k NZ....or maybe more. Early stages of budget. There will also be waterpumps, clutch, Serp. belt idler, hoses, engine mounts etc. This is a one time only and pushes out my retirement plan. Anyway lots of research to do for best bang for buck eg I don't need 1500+hp conrods for $6500
Will listen to input from here as to who has what and best prices etc
Come in Ronnie
 
Big bummer the whole thing - But glad for you being able to get started on it. Blessings to the big hearted friend for use of the shop space. GOOD LUCK to you! Thank you for the update! I'm sure you'll get input from those in the know - @rottenronnie and others on here have good info!
 
Its rare that a Pressed-Powder Connecting Rod randomly lets go in these engines; more likely a piston-ring land let go, the piston jammed in the cylinder and that 97-pound crank just wanted to keep turning and snapped a Rod.

If the crank can still go round and round in the block, once the Pistons and Rods are all out, your engine is rebuildable.

The Block and Crank are your (2) biggest things to salvage and generally are not a tough thing to repair. Pistons and Rods won’t be reused and it sounds like you are also interested in a new camshaft. If not, have a good look at the factory one for damage.

A 13,000-kilometer shipping bill (one-way) from New Zee to Florida won’t be cheap. Some shops don’t consider an engine with a hole in the block a donor and a hefty core-charge may be added to the bill.

Personally, I would source local machine shops in your area for the repairs. New connecting rods (forged), a new set of forged pistons, rings and bearings and you’re mostly back in business. Well, balancing will also be required at the machine shop. They can also check for any cylinder-liner recess and machine that out as well. ALL of this stuff and machining can be sourced locally (according to a quick Google Search).

As there was damage to the block I’d take the opportunity to upgrade from the wimpy main caps to Program Caps as your block should be checked and/or align-honed anyway.

Heads: Where the power is made. If you have a shop you like, you can have yours checked for bent valve(s), compromised valve guides and such. IF it was a piston that let go, shrapnel has been known to jump from cylinder to cylinder and raise some hell.

Head Porting works for more power, IF the person doing it knows what they are doing. The Gen III heads are a PERFORMANCE HEAD and are a decent piece as they are. Yes they can be improved somewhat, but there is only so much material that can be removed which limits their increased power potential.

After they are re-worked, a Cam can be ground based on their performance changes. And appropriate springs and retainers can be chosen. I’d still use the o.e.m. lifters (cam followers) as they are the best design, overall. Prior to removing them, there is a mark on the top of the lifter body. Take note of that orientation when they are removed and replace them the same way, as it is important for them to receive the proper lubrication. It is easy enough to miss this and reinstall them 180 degrees instead; and that would be bad.

Pushrods can be swapped with something stronger. You can save money on most gaskets as many are reusable. The exception being Head and Exhaust Manifold gaskets. The new(er) design Head Gaskets from Dodge will give you 10.5:1 which is a nice bump in compression.

Like I tell everyone: The Gen III engine (yours) requires the oil pan to be removed and the oil pan pickup tube to be removed prior to removing the timing-chain cover.

You will need to thoroughly look around inside your engine for ALL damages and debris.

Good Luck!
 
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Have found a generous person with a big garage and some help. Have started to dismantle to remove engine. Work gets in the way. However from a bore scope pictures there is slight marks on top of #3 piston where the inlet valve has been slightly touching and turning the unconnected piston. Through the small hole in the block the conrod has let go just above the bid end and spins freely on crank. Rocker covers are off and nothing to see there. All good. Consensous of opinion is just a random rod failure. Also the consensous of opinion is to repair hole, build a forged bottom end, upgrade cam followers, pushrods, cam and possible head rework. Looking very close at Southeast Performance I like what they do and the science behind it. Still we are getting ahead of ourselves. As per usual the budget will dictate the plan. BUT it will be planned and executed by sticking to the plan. So far I am confident we can build a strong forged engine with near Striker head performance, maybe 600RWHP according to initial investigations. I am picking probably $15k NZ....or maybe more. Early stages of budget. There will also be waterpumps, clutch, Serp. belt idler, hoses, engine mounts etc. This is a one time only and pushes out my retirement plan. Anyway lots of research to do for best bang for buck eg I don't need 1500+hp conrods for $6500
Will listen to input from here as to who has what and best prices etc
Come in Ronnie
Hopefully the block is repairable and nothing else major damaged .. so are you thinking the Crank is ok ? I’m sure the valve will need replacement at the least . Forged would definitely be the route to go considering the Hp level and a lead foot lol . Keep us informed on the progress ..
 
0c902c6e-bcfa-4264-a38b-6634c4c063ce.jpg#3 piston top viewed through spark plug hole. Seems the valve is patting the piston and turning it. No debri or violent explosions. No valve or part there of embedded in piston.

5397a0c1-b1d3-470b-bedc-ef1887edb056.jpgBig end showing the separation. Still spins freely on crank. No oil in coolant or coolant in oil. Oil is still full and so is the coolant.
 
Its rare that a Rod randomly lets go in these engines; more likely a piston-ring land let go, the piston jammed in the cylinder and that 97-pound crank just wanted to keep turning and snapped a Rod.

If the crank can still go round and round in the block, once the Pistons and Rods are all out, your engine is rebuildable.

The Block and Crank are your (2) biggest things to salvage and generally are not a tough thing to repair. Pistons and Rods won’t be reused and it sounds like you are also interested in a new camshaft. If not, have a good look at the factory one for damage.

A 13,000-kilometer shipping bill (one-way) from New Zee to Florida won’t be cheap. Some shops don’t consider an engine with a hole in the block a donor and a hefty core-charge may be added to the bill.

Personally, I would source local machine shops in your area for the repairs. New connecting rods (forged), a new set of forged pistons, rings and bearings and you’re mostly back in business. Well, balancing will also be required at the machine shop. They can also check for any cylinder-liner recess and machine that out as well. ALL of this stuff and machining can be sourced locally (according to a quick Google Search).

As there was damage to the block I’d take the opportunity to upgrade from the wimpy main caps to Program Caps as your block should be checked and/or align-honed anyway.

Heads: Where the power is made. If you have a shop you like, you can have yours checked for bent valve(s), compromised valve guides and such. IF it was a piston that let go, shrapnel has been known to jump from cylinder to cylinder and raise some hell.

Head Porting works for more power, IF the person doing it knows what they are doing. The Gen III heads are a PERFORMANCE HEAD and are a decent piece as they are. Yes they can be improved somewhat, but there is only so much material that can be removed which limits their increased power potential.

After they are re-worked, a Cam can be ground based on their performance changes. And appropriate springs and retainers can be chosen. I’d still use the o.e.m. lifters (cam followers) as they are the best design, overall. Prior to removing them, there is a mark on the top of the lifter body. Take note of that orientation when they are removed and replace them the same way, as it is important for them to receive the proper lubrication. It is easy enough to miss this and reinstall them 180 degrees instead; and that would be bad.

Pushrods can be swapped with something stronger. You can save money on most gaskets as many are reusable. The exception being Head and Exhaust Manifold gaskets. The new(er) design Head Gaskets from Dodge will give you 10.5:1 which is a nice bump in compression.

Like I tell everyone: The Gen III engine (yours) requires the oil pan to be removed and the oil pan pickup tube to be removed prior to removing the timing-chain cover.

You will need to thoroughly look around inside your engine for ALL damages and debris.

Good Luck!
If and only if I get the heads done, I would look at sending them to some one real switched on, maybe Southeast Perf. The rest will be done local here 10km away. Hope to get the motor out by end of week. Hard to do after 12hr work days. Once apart the investigation will start.
 
Looks to be workable on repairing .. I’m guessing when you tear it all down you’ll know more .. keeping fingers crossed it’s good to go on the rebuild ..
 
I’m still wondering what the actual cause of the Rod to let loose ?
Did it happen under normal driving conditions or getting on it ?
Can’t remember but isn’t or wasn’t #3 cylinder a weak link on past posts on here ?
 

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