BAD Build...Opinions, Please

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  1. ARRESTmeRed04

    ARRESTmeRed04 Active Member Supporting Member

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    for a stock truck it'd be pretty good, how ever Wade's(TooLoe's) truck is a similar compression ratio and his cam is based off a comp 270. His truck put down 497hp/525tq i belive. and that was with the stock exhaust manifolds just like wolfram's truck. (same dyno same day) my truck(stock) with the headers and catless mids was like 468hp/478tq.(again same dyno same day)
     
  2. WOLFRAM

    WOLFRAM New Member Supporting Member

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    Thank you for pointing out that I'm not just being a whining "B".
    :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:

    P.S. post #1 corrected.
     
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    obviously if you're going through one quart of oil every 300 miles there is a massive problem,have you done a compression check on the cylinders? i doubt from what you mentioned that the piston rings seated correctly,the crankshaft most likely was never balanced,with the combination u have a ati super damper should have been installed but the crankshaft needs to be machined for it to fit correctly.


    all the parts you have mentioned in your build was used on mine except for the higher compression ratio

    i bought quite a few parts from tony but the parts supplier is Not responsible for the build spec sheet,the builder is solely responsible for the specs.my builder gave me a 1/4 thick folder full of build specs and part numbers.

    what you got from butt pirate is a backdoor build,sorry bud,it seems there are a few bad apples in this forum,hopefully tony can help you get the right builder working on your engine ,if there isnt any internal damage done the price shouldnt be too much to do it right
     
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    WOLFRAM New Member Supporting Member

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    Thank You, Sir:rock:
     
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    I know you have probably tried these things but that really doesn't sound like an internal problem. WAY to much vibration. I would swap the balancer first, then check the flywheel and pressure plate. Possibly even the internals in the transmission. It is not unusual for a new build to use some oil and even have excessive blowby until the rings seat.
     
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    DC performance.........
     
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    I'm so glad you chimed in on this, I've been thinking the same thong about the flywheel and pressure plate & transmission. What suggestions do you (& all) have about fly wheel & clutch. As far as seating, I'm at 3000 miles. (That includes the Break in)
     
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    Howdy jack, the wobble in his stick at wot in high rpm'z and speed.............:dontknow:
     
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    WOLFRAM New Member Supporting Member

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    Sounds like the ingredients for a descent porno.:D
     
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    LOL..good to see you can still make a funny after what you have described...:)
     
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    WOLFRAM New Member Supporting Member

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    It's has taken quite a while to get there, You Guys are really helping.

    Thank You:top:
     
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    In the search bar type tube8 on whatever portal ya use..........lol good to see yur sprit is doin well..........:rock: :D :rock:
     
  13. JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE

    JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE Active Member Preferred Vendor

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    went back and pulled all the sheets of notes, and here is what I have.

    billet mains
    billet main stud kit
    head stud kit
    k1 rods,
    wiseco pistons ,coated skirts and domes bored 1/2 over
    coated rod and main bearings
    hardened push rods
    cloyes timing chain
    behive springs 20
    manley valves 20
    ati dampner
    comp 270hr cam
    line bored,
    bore job
    presure wash clean magnaflux
    deck heads and block
    valve job


    now on to the notes

    the block he supplied Mr.Sloan, Sloan said was a bad block,even tho the block had only 3800 miles on it, sloan said it couldnt be fixed, or shouldnt be used to substained high mph runs.
    He sold Wolfram a new seasoned block he had, and took the other in on a trade.

    the engine was built and shipped, Yellow freight dropped the engine on its nose at the loading dock, the engine was shipped back to Sloan, Sloan "supposedly" took it apart , said it was fine, the problem I have with this is 600lbs on the nose of a crank. and the fact it immediatly started leaking from the rear main leaves that to question.

    When wolfram rec'd the engine, it immediatly leaked oil from rear main, I ovn'd him a rear main ,as far as I know the rear main has not leaked since, we both tried to contact sloan, no answer, both have tried numerous times to get a spec sheet , no answer.

    wolfram wanted an engine he could eventually put a sc'r or turbo on, thus compression was set at 9.4.1 on the pistons, lower than oem accordin to the notes,
    with the combination he has, the numbers he makes is probably about right,with the compression ratio , but who knows if the cam was degreed in properly, from what Darrin says and the way it falls off probably not.

    the vibration , could be comming from the engine, but not sure if it does it in every gear at the same rpm's, if it does then yes its in the engine. if not , in the tranny,suspension, driveline, hence maybe why the tranny keeps blowing out the rear seal.

    either way, more testing should be done, one to see if it vibrates at a certain rpm, compression check, leakdown check, then a teardown if any of those test determine something is wrong.

    Darrins engine has all the right stuff to make a good 1000 hp engine with turbos easily, but it being dropped on its nose, is not good,and more information like any of the checks above would prove helpful

    i spoke with collins today, according to him, if the vibration is comming from the engine then it would do it most likley all the time or it would grow worse as the rpms climbed,and if it was out of balance then it probably wouldnt have lasted the entire run at the sustained high rpms it should have simply come apart.
    but that also was without him seeing or hearing the engine run, bu twith the engines he builds he said that balance is very critical and can be detrimental if not done correctly or if out of balance and run at high rpms for extended periods of time.

    i am pretty sure everything I sold darrin is in the engine, but being dropped on the nose of the crank off a forklift, jsut cant be good
     
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    WOLFRAM New Member Supporting Member

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    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

    There goes half the forum...


    see ya tomarrow:burnout:

    ;)
     
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    Would'nt the forklift people be liable to pay for fix or replace............
     
  16. JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE

    JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE Active Member Preferred Vendor

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    yellow freight was going and willing to pay for a complete teardown or engine, engine was shipped back to sloan, sloan ok'd engine, reshipped back to wolfram
     
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    WOLFRAM New Member Supporting Member

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    Thanks Tony.

    Sloan told me it had been bored over but with the surfacing the comp. sould be "about" 10.5:1. I forgot about the timing chain.

    The shipping damage is still suspicious, especially considering he did request more gaskets.
     
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    Also, had a PM about input shaft & crank alignment. Do to differant block,What you think?:dontknow:
     
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    Im gonna throw this out there, probaly way out in left field. What if the block got twisted from being dropped, and when you bolt the trans up to it it cause the trans to not sit center. that would cause the drive shaft to sit at an angle. :dontknow: :dontknow: just me thinkin. :)
     
  20. JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE

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    he never requested any more gaskets from me:dontknow:

    as far as input shaft and crank? there shouldnt be a problem there, "shouldnt" you can take jsut about any year tranny from truck or viper and shouldnt have a problem , the shafts in the truck trannys are beefier than the viper cars.

    as far as the deck being knocked down to give you 10.5.1? that he never mentioned to me, I would think it would have to be knocked down quite a bit to get there, then the intake would have to be shaved down to fit also