The Philosophy Thread - an Experimental Therapy:

[Brat]

She's a helluva worker.......... hard to get her to stop.

Hope your day is a pleasant one, Earl.....:rock:

D

I have had better Tim,just in a depressed funk right now,but thanks for asking.

 

[Django]

I have had better Tim,just in a depressed funk right now,but thanks for asking.

May God grant you the peace that surpasses understanding....

Much Love and caring coming your way........:congrats:

Tim

 

[Brat]

May God grant you the peace that surpasses understanding....

Much Love and caring coming your way........:congrats:

Tim

Thanks Tim that means a lot,may God bless you also.

 

[HOT RAM]

I do see alot of people confusing faith with religion. We were born and given faith by our creator. Religion was made to try and understand the Word of the creator, but we have turn religon into somthing that it not suppose to be and some wicked people try to use it to corrupt others. If you have Faith in God you have faith in God not religion. Are you a person of faith or religion? that is something I ask myself everyday. Faith is of God religon is of man, who do you follow? IMO

I agree with this .God wanted relationship,man wanted religion.Religion is man trying to please God and thereby avoid Hell.Relationship is God giving Himself for us so that we gain Heaven.



my basic philosphy :


"By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples,by the LOVE ye have for one another" . Love God first,and love others as you would love yourself. I would rather be known for love than for religion,faith,discipline,or anything else.

 

[HOT RAM]

Interesting story:

Thoughts can be dangerous. Our mind, in fact, cannot recognize what is real and what is pure visualization. If we concentrate enough we will create alternative realities, as vivid as physical objects.

The young monk of this story can tell something about this…

Two Zen monks were travelling. They came to a ford of a stream that was running high, and the current was strong and frightening looking.

An attractive young lady was standing at the ford, looking nervous. She clearly was afraid to cross, but had an important reason to go.

Without a word, the older of the two monks lifted her in his arms and waded across the stream, and placed her safely on the far bank.

The younger monk looked shocked at this action, but kept his silence for quite some number of miles as they continued their journey.

Finally, he blurted out “You know that it is against the rules of our order to have any contact with women. How could you do that?â€￾.

The older monk replied “I put her down when I reached the other side of the river. You, on the other hand, have been carrying her this whole way.â€￾

It looks like the younger monk broke the rules….just with his thoughts.

I agree


Jesus said that whoever looks at a woman with lust ,has committed adultery with her already.The act itself didn't even have to take place,just in the mind/heart.
I believe that your life will move in the direction of your thoughts.

 

[HOT RAM]

Looking back is most always a trap..........

D

Depends on exactly how you mean that,I think.

We need to look back once in awhile to see where we came from and like Wifey said,to check our course.

there is a negative side to looking back though / not sure where it is in the Bible ,but it says that : whoever puts his hand to the plow and looking back is not fit for the Kingdom of God


Looking down produces discouragement
Looking around produces distraction
Looking back produces doubt
Looking up produces deliverance

 

[Django]

This is turning out to be a purdee good thread after all...........

I must say, I wasn't sure at first..........

Thanks to all who's generosity of spirit have contributed to success so far...

I knew you folks had it in ya'....

Namaste', Dominus vobiscum, Shalom and Salaam....

D

 

[HOT RAM]

Then I really think that Buddhism does not meet the requirements hehe.

This is my favorite quote from Siddhartha Gautama.

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.


I have found something in Buddhism that I never knew existed. I was introduced to it through Daosa and her family, they never expected me to embrace it, but I have. From the first time that I read through the teachings of the Buddha, I have felt like it was written just for me.

I have read some of the writings of the Dalai Lama and found them to be very inspiring.Lots of good stuff in Buddhist teachings.(even though I am a fairly fundamentalist Christian in beliefs,I keep an open mind)

 

[Django]

I have read some of the writings of the Dalai Lama and found them to be very inspiring.Lots of good stuff in Buddhist teachings.(even though I am a fairly fundamentalist Christian in beliefs,I keep an open mind)

Lots of good stuff in ALL the paths to Enlightenment....

D

 

[FASTFOOD]

How do yall feel about evolution vs the Bible?

I think they are the same except for ONE thing!

 

[CarolinaSRT10]

How do yall feel about evolution vs the Bible?

I think they are the same except for ONE thing!

I think it is obvious that evolution has taken place on the earth. And I think that's the way God did it. I think the big bang happened when God threw the "dice" and said here is everything needed for life.....I'll just sit back now and see what happens.

The fly in the ointment is that it is very hard for me to believe in evolution fully. A few questions that are raised are: How in the hell, in the eons that have been, did a homo sapiens male and a female evolve within a lifetime of each other? If they did, how did it happen that they were in close enough proximity to each other on this earth to get together to mate? And to be a bit silly.......why is it not still occuring? I know that animals are still evolving, but why don't we see a Neanderthal or two walking out of the deep jungles somewhere?

Another thing is that the Bible says that God created man in his own image. I don't think that means we have the same image as the creator. I think that means that man has his own unique image. That we are unlike any other creature on this earth. And most likely unlike any alien life form that may exist.

Lee

 

[CarolinaSRT10]

Tim,

I hope I didn't stray too far from your intent for this thread. If so I apologize........I couldn't resist........

More in vein..........I truly believe in the power of prayer. I believe I have been blessed with results from my prayers. Sometimes I may receive an answer immediately, and sometimes it's just tumbleweeds and crickets. I suppose some things just have to be worked out on my own.

Lee

 

[OCBob]

The fly in the ointment is that it is very hard for me to believe in evolution fully. A few questions that are raised are: How in the hell, in the eons that have been, did a homo sapiens male and a female evolve within a lifetime of each other? If they did, how did it happen that they were in close enough proximity to each other on this earth to get together to mate? And to be a bit silly.......why is it not still occuring? I know that animals are still evolving, but why don't we see a Neanderthal or two walking out of the deep jungles somewhere?

See if I can try to explain this. It's been a long time since I've talked about this stuff.

Evolution is a process that is driven by natural selection. That simply means that those that are the most successful in survival methods will go on to reproduce. It doesn't happen overnight. A species develops over time, lots of time. The reason that you don't see a Neanderthal is the same reason you don't see a Wooly Mammoth or Dodo bird, they are extinct.

And evolution is still occurring, but it happens in terms of geologic time. Just as you can't see the mountains growing you can't see evolution. There is no voodoo or magic involved, it is just a case of nature responding to the external pressures of the environment.

Think of how we have been able to "create" (for lack of a better term) breeds of dogs. We are the environment in that case. We have made the natural selection process our own. Do you really think a bulldog would have a chance in hell of surviving in the wild? But nature works in much the same way, but instead of picking looks as the driving force it is the ability to survive.

Evolution is happening all around all the time. That's why some species that were quite adept at surviving find themselves extinct. Other species have adapted to overcome whatever advantages the first species had to overtake them. It's really pretty cool

And no, it does not mean that we came from monkeys. It does however mean that we have common ancestors. In fact, we have common ancestors with all forms of animal life, we have all evolved from single cell animals, but there are many, many forks in that road.

And evolution does not mean that there is no supreme being. It does mean that the Bible cannot be taken literally, but there are plenty of other things that support that as well. To this day no one knows how life started, there are theories of course, but they are just that, theories. Someday, they may be proven, or maybe not. So it is not outside the realm of possibility that it is much as you say, a roll of the dice by a supreme being. That theory is just as good as any other IMO.

Hope this helped, even if just a little.

 

[Django]

Evolution vs: the Bible really aren't philosophical issues per se. They are an apples to oranges comparison. ...The issue pits several of our sciences against a Book... albeit and ancient one.

This forum contains some good scientific minds. But I' am concerned over whether those same minds are the one's who will debate the issue. Moroever, it can become just a simple argument over faith in the veracity of The Bible over someone's idea of scientific proof on behalf of individuals who know very little.

Most simply want to take a side and argue... It's not really philosophy or spirituality... It's religion vs: everyone else...

If it gets out'a hand we can deal with it at that time.

Have fun, learn, accept possibilities and don't get angry over something that you can't really prove........ This discussion is very much the same as proving the existence of God.... or the lack thereof. It's endless.....

D

 

[CarolinaSRT10]

Hope this helped, even if just a little.

Bob,

It's been cool discussing things with you lately.

My questions were mostly rhetorical, as I agree (mostly) with your post above.......I was attempting (in an apparently weak way) to express that I don't think our being here is totally random.

Thanks,

Lee

 

[OCBob]

As I said, I don't think that evolution precludes the existence of a higher being. Not at all. The problem is the literal reading of the Bible precludes evolution.

This brought up another thought to me, that I would love to hear some responses on (which means I probably won't hehe). If in fact, evolution and natural selection do not exist, how does one explain away extinction?

Correct me if I'm wrong, I am certainly no Biblical scholar, but isn't God supposed to be infallible? If that is indeed the case, how would some of His creations come to a point where they are not able to survive?

I'm just curious as to opinions, and hopefully I'm giving some folks something to think about. Hopefully I can get some good responses and maybe I can learn a thing or two as well.

 

[CarolinaSRT10]

As I said, I don't think that evolution precludes the existence of a higher being. Not at all. The problem is the literal reading of the Bible precludes evolution.

This brought up another thought to me, that I would love to hear some responses on (which means I probably won't hehe). If in fact, evolution and natural selection do not exist, how does one explain away extinction?

Correct me if I'm wrong, I am certainly no Biblical scholar, but isn't God supposed to be infallible? If that is indeed the case, how would some of His creations come to a point where they are not able to survive?

I'm just curious as to opinions, and hopefully I'm giving some folks something to think about. Hopefully I can get some good responses and maybe I can learn a thing or two as well.

How would we know that extinction isn't part of the "master plan"?

Hell, we would have had a pretty rough go with the dinosaurs, if they were not extinct.

Lee

 

[OCBob]

How would we know that extinction isn't part of the "master plan"?

Hell, we would have had a pretty rough go with the dinosaurs, if they were not extinct.

Lee

I guess we couldn't know that. But, if we are to take the Bible literally, dinosaurs didn't exist from what I know of it. Either that or we co-existed with them.

Again, I'm no Biblical scholar, but that is my limited understanding of it.

 

[HOT RAM]

I guess we couldn't know that. But, if we are to take the Bible literally, dinosaurs didn't exist from what I know of it. Either that or we co-existed with them.

Again, I'm no Biblical scholar, but that is my limited understanding of it.

Dinosaurs HAD to exist,you simply can't dispute the fossils and skeletons.I tend to take most of the Bible literally,BUT there is the possibility,even probability ,that not all of creative history was recorded,just what we needed to know.:dontknow:

Evolution/Creation seems to divide most people along the scientific/spiritual lines.I personally don't like the idea of evolution,however I don't have a problem with anyone that does believe it.

 

[FASTFOOD]

Great feed back all.