Everyone will be selling there shifters!!!!

caveman · Feb 19, 2015

ARRESTmeRed04 said:
It's only going to shift as fast as you pull the lever, you'll still have to use the clutch to shift aswell. It's a sequential SHIFTER not a sequential transmission.

There is a mechanism at work. Mechanisms take time. I'm skeptical that it's actually faster to use this than to shift conventionally.

stealth78 · Feb 19, 2015

caveman said:
There is a mechanism at work. Mechanisms take time. I'm skeptical that it's actually faster to use this than to shift conventionally.

Ahhh horse-feathers

JMB Justin · Feb 19, 2015

ARRESTmeRed04 said:
It's only going to shift as fast as you pull the lever, you'll still have to use the clutch to shift aswell. It's a sequential SHIFTER not a sequential transmission.

Correct, its just converting H pattern to inline, it is not a sequential transmission by any means. If you faceplated your T56 then you can use it clutchless after the launch. A true sequential will have straight cut gears and kills ignition/rev matches to make shifting much smoother and easier on parts. That's typically around $20K....

caveman · Feb 19, 2015

stealth78 said:
Ahhh horse-feathers

RagunCajun · Feb 19, 2015

If you guys are worried about being so much quicker, just go with a built auto.

ARRESTmeRed04 · Feb 19, 2015

RagunCajun said:
If you guys are worried about being so much quicker, just go with a built auto.

I'm thinking about it

viperhauler · Feb 19, 2015

caveman said:
So talk about it. How much faster per shift is this shifter than a regular shifter?

JMB Justin said:
Correct, its just converting H pattern to inline, it is not a sequential transmission by any means. If you faceplated your T56 then you can use it clutchless after the launch. A true sequential will have straight cut gears and kills ignition/rev matches to make shifting much smoother and easier on parts. That's typically around $20K....

admittedly, i didn't actually watch the video.
it's not what i thought it was.

but if it was, this is from wiki on shift times:

Gearbox shift times (Fastest to slowest)

Bugatti Veyron (DSG): 8 ms[2]
AUDI (DSG)(Also S-TRONIC): 8 ms[2]
Volkswagen (DSG): 8 ms[2]
Alfa Romeo Mito & Alfa Romeo Giulietta (2010) Dual Dry Clutch Transmission TCT: 8 ms[3]
Ferrari 430 Scuderia: 60 ms[4]
BMW M3 E92 with M-DCT: 80 ms[2]
Ferrari FXX: Under 100 ms[5]
Drag car: 100 ms
Maserati GranTurismo S Cambiocorsa: 100 ms
Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG: 100 ms[2]
Automatic/semi-automatic transmission: 100 ms
Clio RS EDC 200: 150 ms (race mode)[6]
Enzo Ferrari: 150 ms[2]
FXX Evoluzione: 160 ms[2]
Lexus LFA: 200 ms
Nissan GT-R: 200 ms
Chevrolet Camaro ZL1: 200 ms[7]
Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale & Ferrari F430: 250 ms[2]
Audi TT Quattro 3.2 (Direct Shift): 200 ms[8]
BMW M5 E60 with SMG III: 250 ms[2]
BMW M3 E36 with SMG I: 250 ms[2]
Aston Martin Vanquish: 250 ms[2]
The fastest (Race gearbox) manual: 250 ms[citation needed]
Ferrari 575M: 280 ms

i know for a fact, driving the bmw you can't even blink and it's changed gears... i think when we did the powershifting thread it was .18s for the quicker guys???

so basically, this has nothing to do with this thread and i wouldn't want this trans knowing what it is.

RagunCajun · Feb 19, 2015

You can't out shift an auto. And if someone can drive, this is a gimmick.

Practice or go built auto.

You will not out perform a properly built auto with a manual clutch. I dont care who you are. So let's not get into that.

fastestbrickonearth · Feb 20, 2015

Enter Trainman in 3...2...1...

stealth78 · Feb 20, 2015

ARRESTmeRed04 said:
I'm thinking about it

NOOOOOOOOOO :reddy:

stealth78 · Feb 20, 2015

RagunCajun said:
You can't out shift an auto. And if someone can drive, this is a gimmick.

Practice or go built auto.

You will not out perform a properly built auto with a manual clutch. I dont care who you are. So let's not get into that.

I agree 100% on the shift times, but how much more HP is being robbed by an auto if you compare it to a stick that is built to handle the same HP/Torque?? I'm not stating that I know this, I am actually wondering. Has anybody had their truck or any vehicle for that matter on a Dyno with nothing being changed outside of the tranny swap?

CaptnCrash · Feb 20, 2015

stealth78 said:
I agree 100% on the shift times, but how much more HP is being robbed by an auto if you compare it to a stick that is built to handle the same HP/Torque?? I'm not stating that I know this, I am actually wondering. Has anybody had their truck or any vehicle for that matter on a Dyno with nothing being changed outside of the tranny swap?

On a dyno pull you can do a "reverse" pull. That measures the percentage of power loss in the driveline.

The loss will vary from model to model but it's pretty consistent that automatic boxes have 5% - 10% more loss than a manual box in a comparable model.

--CC

stealth78 · Feb 20, 2015

CaptnCrash said:
On a dyno pull you can do a "reverse" pull. That measures the percentage of power loss in the driveline.

The loss will vary from model to model but it's pretty consistent that automatic boxes have 5% - 10% more loss than a manual box in a comparable model.

--CC

Well then at 500whp I'd like to keep my 25-50 extra HP! Especially seeing as how I was pulling into 4th gear at the 8th mile, with no shifting in the second half of the track...(In my truck). 50 extra HP come in pretty handy on the big end of the track.

ViperPete · Feb 20, 2015

Great idea and looks amazing. But for everyday driving- id say no. Too busy imo. I like going from 1-2-3-6. That is normal for me. Rather than going 1-2-3-4-5-6. Then coming to a stop and going 6-5-4-3-2-1. Too much work.

RagunCajun · Feb 21, 2015

stealth78 said:
I agree 100% on the shift times, but how much more HP is being robbed by an auto if you compare it to a stick that is built to handle the same HP/Torque?? I'm not stating that I know this, I am actually wondering. Has anybody had their truck or any vehicle for that matter on a Dyno with nothing being changed outside of the tranny swap?

with modern autos and gearing in them, it doesnt matter. The auto will still produce better results. Plus it can get very expensive racing a manual trans vehicle that hooks at the strip. The shock off the line hurts a lot of things. My truck has been down for about 3-4 weeks due to launching off the two step of slicks...back in November

Racing get expensive though, especially when more and more power gets involved.

Psycho1122 · Feb 21, 2015

viperhauler said:
admittedly, i didn't actually watch the video.
it's not what i thought it was.

but if it was, this is from wiki on shift times:

Gearbox shift times (Fastest to slowest)

Bugatti Veyron (DSG): 8 ms[2]
AUDI (DSG)(Also S-TRONIC): 8 ms[2]
Volkswagen (DSG): 8 ms[2]
Alfa Romeo Mito & Alfa Romeo Giulietta (2010) Dual Dry Clutch Transmission TCT: 8 ms[3]
(MY ZX12R NINJA: 50 ms) Electric Pressure sensing shift rod w/ MPS coil kill box. Clutchless upshifts. Never miss a gear. :rock:
Ferrari 430 Scuderia: 60 ms[4]
BMW M3 E92 with M-DCT: 80 ms[2]
Ferrari FXX: Under 100 ms[5]
Drag car: 100 ms
Maserati GranTurismo S Cambiocorsa: 100 ms
Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG: 100 ms[2]
Automatic/semi-automatic transmission: 100 ms
Clio RS EDC 200: 150 ms (race mode)[6]
Enzo Ferrari: 150 ms[2]
FXX Evoluzione: 160 ms[2]
Lexus LFA: 200 ms
Nissan GT-R: 200 ms
Chevrolet Camaro ZL1: 200 ms[7]
Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale & Ferrari F430: 250 ms[2]
Audi TT Quattro 3.2 (Direct Shift): 200 ms[8]
BMW M5 E60 with SMG III: 250 ms[2]
BMW M3 E36 with SMG I: 250 ms[2]
Aston Martin Vanquish: 250 ms[2]
The fastest (Race gearbox) manual: 250 ms[citation needed]
Ferrari 575M: 280 ms

i know for a fact, driving the bmw you can't even blink and it's changed gears... i think when we did the powershifting thread it was .18s for the quicker guys???

so basically, this has nothing to do with this thread and i wouldn't want this trans knowing what it is.

skyy406 said:
Great idea and looks amazing. But for everyday driving- id say no. Too busy imo. I like going from 1-2-3-6. That is normal for me. Rather than going 1-2-3-4-5-6. Then coming to a stop and going 6-5-4-3-2-1. Too much work.

No biggie... just like shifting a modern high performance motorcycle.

ARRESTmeRed04 · Feb 23, 2015

$2700, means there won't be one on my truck.

http://www.s1sequential.com/

viperhauler · Feb 23, 2015

ViperPete said:
Great idea and looks amazing. But for everyday driving- id say no. Too busy imo. I like going from 1-2-3-6. That is normal for me. Rather than going 1-2-3-4-5-6. Then coming to a stop and going 6-5-4-3-2-1. Too much work.

seems like with this trans you can keep the clutch depressed and "skip" gears...

i don't see why you couldn't...

yellowfever#154 · Feb 23, 2015

ARRESTmeRed04 said:
$2700, means there won't be one on my truck.

http://www.s1sequential.com/

Hmmm, that's a little beyond what I expected. The "demo" video will have to be quite convincing...

VPRPWRD · Feb 24, 2015

No thanks, that's out of my league. If I had caveman money I'd buy a new one every year.

Everyone will be selling there shifters!!!!

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