Rebuilding engine with Turbo in mind.

[SrtBrad]

engine wise, billet mains, ( also means line boring the crank) oliver rods, pistons, about 8.1 compression, stryker heads( comes complete with jesel rockers), end cost around $10,000 or better to have a "quality" machine shope to do the machine work, then you will need someone with experience to put it together, and by experience I mean with viper motors.

I can put you in touch with UGR and they can get it done for you resonable, and honestly that is a much easier way to go, the ones they build are good for 15-1600rwhp.

You will need a fuel system, I opted for a single pump, just because I dont like th posibility of one or more pumps going out, but they do have a billet pump holder that holds 3 pumps in the stock tank.

then you will need plumbing, fuel rails and "flow" matched injectors, that is a must, and a fuel regulator.

also a boost controller.

Now once you have that done, you cna fab up your own turbo system or opt out and go for the pro turb deal, twins are about 12k I think and single 6k or in that area.

Now for 1000rwhp streetable you will need ceramic bearing 76mm for the twins and a 88mm for the single.

then you will need a fuel mangment system and the AEM is the easiest out there, a guy iin oregon has a harnes to make it pug and play, expect 4k for this.

then you gonna need a tranny, call Joe, or get in touch with the big eared polyester wearing karate kid

then call me for a rear axle

Dont forget about guages, at the least a air fuel guage, fuel pressure, and boost guage.

I wouldnt bother too much with a stroker, but there is a ton of them out there.

But dont DONT scrimp on the engine bro, oh and one more thing and this is the truth, expect a rebuild every 10-15k miles 1000hp beats the hell out of the mains,
like ya say ya gotta pay to play

for a daily driver you are better off with about 800hp and leave one setting for kill mode:rock:

Excellent write up. I'll be researching all this info.:rock:

 

[Wifey]

I spun a rod at 5500 rpm and you could imagine what the crank and rods look like. Can anyone guess what cylinder spun the rod bearing?

Anyways I'm using this mishap as an excuse to build the engine ground up in stages. The end goal is running turbo netting 1000rwhp and be my daily driver.

I am taking an online crash course in viper engines and doing a lot of research and homework. I could use some advise from any members who have rebuilt their engines and the results of their rebuilds.

What kind of internal and external engine parts are best suited for my end goal. Also what compression ratio should I be building the engine for?

Turbo (from what I know) has had a bad rep with these trucks and am willing to bet my rebuilt engine with the proper internals, tuning, and engine management the turbo can live.

I will be selling off my property in California Valley to finance this rebuild. If anyone is interested in a 5 acre lot PM me and I'll send you all the details.

I might have a sponsor to help me thru this adventure and all help is appreciated.

Brad

You guys will do anything to get to 1000 rwhp Sorry you blew her up but good luck with your build. Maybe supercharge instead of turbo?

My guess is #3 cylinder :dontknow:

Where is your lot in CA? (General area)

 

[SrtBrad]

You guys will do anything to get to 1000 rwhp Sorry you blew her up but good luck with your build. Maybe supercharge instead of turbo?

My guess is #3 cylinder :dontknow:

Where is your lot in CA? (General area)

Your guess is correct with the #3 cylinder. According to Stinkers post with rebuilding a 1000rwhp every 20K miles I might have to shoot for the 800rwhp build. Since I am new to the Viper Engine world, I'll be doing a lot of homework before I commit.

The 5 acre lot is in California Valley right by Soda Lake in San Luis Obispo County.

BTW thanks for wishing me good luck.:rock:

 

[JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE]

You can do a big build bo, jsut have a small 7-800 street tune, you can program in 3 different tunes and have 2 for pump gas, say one 700 and one for 1000, then one for race fuel, that way your not pounding the bearings to death

 

[SrtBrad]

You can do a big build bo, jsut have a small 7-800 street tune, you can program in 3 different tunes and have 2 for pump gas, say one 700 and one for 1000, then one for race fuel, that way your not pounding the bearings to death

Ok back on the 1000rwhp build. What do you think without cutting corners and getting the right parts will cost start to finish in parts only. I'm including the turbo, internals, fuel system, and misc parts?

 

[lightninquick]

i like your additude about your motor. im not sure selling the land is the way to go. todays market is in the readjusting mode.

here is an idea,,,pull the motor,,,drop the pan,,,,install a oversized bearing,,,and give the stock block a two stage 300 shot of the giggly:dontknow: maybe set a stock block record:rock:

cost about 6oo bucks,,,and a couple days wrenching:nurse:

 

[SrtBrad]

i like your additude about your motor. im not sure selling the land is the way to go. todays market is in the readjusting mode.

here is an idea,,,pull the motor,,,drop the pan,,,,install a oversized bearing,,,and give the stock block a two stage 300 shot of the giggly:dontknow: maybe set a stock block record:rock:

cost about 6oo bucks,,,and a couple days wrenching:nurse:

We dropped the pan. Partially found rod bearing #3 in its ground down stage. The crank was scarred along with the cap. Put in another rod bearing just to see how long it would last. 21 miles before she went. The crank will have to come out along with the engine.

I could get the crank turned about .020 and install .020 oversized bearings and be back to normal.

You, Nowwhat, and Wifey have the logical mindset to not sell the property. I just said something that both Mike and Denise agree too.

Maybe you guys are right but I just can't loose the racing bug. I need more time to think.

Thanks for your input.:rock: :rock:

 

[JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE]

Ok back on the 1000rwhp build. What do you think without cutting corners and getting the right parts will cost start to finish in parts only. I'm including the turbo, internals, fuel system, and misc parts?

This is just a guess , but if you do most of the work, clutch, fuel system so on, around 30k, if ya farm it out 40k and up

Just for a tickler tho, I know at one time UGR wanted to do a twin set up and was willin to give a cut on the deal, dont know if it still stands or not:dontknow: and dont know how much of a cut either:dontknow:

 

[SrtBrad]

This is just a guess , but if you do most of the work, clutch, fuel system so on, around 30k, if ya farm it out 40k and up

Just for a tickler tho, I know at one time UGR wanted to do a twin set up and was willin to give a cut on the deal, dont know if it still stands or not:dontknow: and dont know how much of a cut either:dontknow:

I would be willing to consider that offer if it still stands. I am still checking into options right now but my heart says "REBUILD WITH TURBO". My logical side says pull the engine and fix the problem only. My heart is what convinced me to buy this truck and my logical side suffered. In the end the financial side will be the ultimate factor.

 

[Prof]

Always follow your heart! Life is short.

Re: the land...

Yes, the market is soft for sellers...but here is my take...there are always buyers. Right now most are bargain hunters looking to steal something. But in every down market there are always the outliers that have a dream and the resources to support that dream. Set a price for your land that will make you giggle if you get close to getting it. That would be a price that gives you the freedom to do what you want to do and have some extra, because you will need it. Do not relent and sacrifice it for less than a price that will make you giggle every time you think about it. There is a buyer that is willing to pay your price...you just have to have the where-with-all to wait for that person to surface.

 

[eddie102870]

just build a n/a stroker motor and buy a built race car to play with. you can tow it to the track with your truck.

 

[RedRamRules]

Speak with Exotic Engine, they built Mike's bottom end pretty hefty, I am sure they can do the same for a turbo application. Sorry to hear about the engine problems Brad, but you sure drive the hell outta your truck :rock: Wish I could do the same.

 

[redice2]

im with you man i have talked to stinker a couple times about twin turbos still my goal in the end just saving first before i get started in this big venture hoping by spring to be talking with stinker again about a new rear end

 

[SrtBrad]

Always follow your heart! Life is short.

Re: the land...

Yes, the market is soft for sellers...but here is my take...there are always buyers. Right now most are bargain hunters looking to steal something. But in every down market there are always the outliers that have a dream and the resources to support that dream. Set a price for your land that will make you giggle if you get close to getting it. That would be a price that gives you the freedom to do what you want to do and have some extra, because you will need it. Do not relent and sacrifice it for less than a price that will make you giggle every time you think about it. There is a buyer that is willing to pay your price...you just have to have the where-with-all to wait for that person to surface.

Very well said Prof.:rock:

 

[SrtBrad]

just build a n/a stroker motor and buy a built race car to play with. you can tow it to the track with your truck.

That would be another logical thing to do. Good idea but I'm married to the truck and it's either back to stock by grinding the crank replacing 1 rod/cap, rod and main bearings or the turbo idea. I guess I have the racers attitude of go all out or nothing.

 

[NBT]

According to Stinkers post with rebuilding a 1000rwhp every 20K miles I might have to shoot for the 800rwhp build.

You can do a big build bo, jsut have a small 7-800 street tune, you can program in 3 different tunes and have 2 for pump gas, say one 700 and one for 1000, then one for race fuel, that way your not pounding the bearings to death

Ok back on the 1000rwhp build.

Bwahaha... that was quick...:rock: :burnout: :burnout: Can't blame ya either.

Nice Tony on the write up:rock:

Good thread to follow regarding a twin set up as well as re-build... some good info in there.
http://www.vtcoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16198

 

[SrtBrad]

Speak with Exotic Engine, they built Mike's bottom end pretty hefty, I am sure they can do the same for a turbo application. Sorry to hear about the engine problems Brad, but you sure drive the hell outta your truck :rock: Wish I could do the same.

Exotic is one of my choices along with Underground so far if I was going the shop route.

 

[TurboFreak]

Why not a 700-900 N/A motor? My engine builder said it could be done.

 

[SrtBrad]

Why not a 700-900 N/A motor? My engine builder said it could be done.

Choices choices and choices. The final choice will be revolved around money.

1st Choice: Twin Turbo
2nd Choice: STS Turbo
3rd Choice: Paxton Novi 2000 Build
4th Choice: 700 - 900 HP NA Build
5th Choice: Stock rebuild with forged pistons and NO2
6th Choice: Stock rebuild

 

[UNIBOY]

Sorry to hear you blew your motor.