BAD Build...Opinions, Please

[JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE]

Im gonna throw this out there, probaly way out in left field. What if the block got twisted from being dropped, and when you bolt the trans up to it it cause the trans to not sit center. that would cause the drive shaft to sit at an angle. :dontknow: :dontknow: just me thinkin.

my thoughts were when it was dropped I would have torn it completly down and had it completley rebalanced, and the crank check for straightness.

I have four cranks , some with minor rod bearing failures, some major, all four are bent to a degree, hence why eddie is getting a billet crank. Eddies motor is gonna be under the jtsvp banner, collins is very successfull inthe nascar truck series with years of alchol and other builds, even builds his own bearings at times when needed,ultra picky, almost annoying

 

[WOLFRAM]

he never requested any more gaskets from me:dontknow:

as far as input shaft and crank? there shouldnt be a problem there, "shouldnt" you can take jsut about any year tranny from truck or viper and shouldnt have a problem , the shafts in the truck trannys are beefier than the viper cars.

as far as the deck being knocked down to give you 10.5.1? that he never mentioned to me, I would think it would have to be knocked down quite a bit to get there, then the intake would have to be shaved down to fit also

OK so I'd have to call...
:bs: on the compesion. The #'s you gave would be more believable acording to the parts you supplied & the dyno #'S.
Plus, he did have the intake.

 

[GADodgetech]

my thoughts were when it was dropped I would have torn it completly down and had it completley rebalanced, and the crank check for straightness.

I have four cranks , some with minor rod bearing failures, some major, all four are bent to a degree, hence why eddie is getting a billet crank. Eddies motor is gonna be under the jtsvp banner, collins is very successfull inthe nascar truck series with years of alchol and other builds, even builds his own bearings at times when needed,ultra picky, almost annoying

I was talking about the block its self, the back "face" of it. If you see what im sayin :dontknow:

 

[JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE]

I was talking about the block its self, the back "face" of it. If you see what im sayin :dontknow:

I do buddy, and I am sure more knowledgable peeps will eventually chime in with technical knowledge an big words, but too look at things simple, that much weight on the end of a crank, looks like it would force the bearings , mains, rods, pistons, everthing and probably even the block to move around a bit,
i know when wolfram called me that night about the rear main leaking when the engine first cranks and the oil shot out like water, if not mistaken he said the took the rear seal out very very easily, now was the engine dissassembled and the seal not put back right? or is the crank out some?
but one would think it the crank was out, that it would leak again and be almost unsealable:dontknow:

 

[WOLFRAM]

I was talking about the block its self, the back "face" of it. If you see what im sayin :dontknow:

It was bolted to 3/4" ply & pallet like this.

 

[GADodgetech]

I do buddy, and I am sure more knowledgable peeps will eventually chime in with technical knowledge an big words, but too look at things simple, that much weight on the end of a crank, looks like it would force the bearings , mains, rods, pistons, everthing and probably even the block to move around a bit,
i know when wolfram called me that night about the rear main leaking when the engine first cranks and the oil shot out like water, if not mistaken he said the took the rear seal out very very easily, now was the engine dissassembled and the seal not put back right? or is the crank out some?
but one would think it the crank was out, that it would leak again and be almost unsealable:dontknow:

Or it could be moving back and fourth on the mains. :dontknow: thats a clusterfck

 

[Django]

Lord have mercy......

My deepest condolences... Hope it gets worked out....

D

 

[andrew heywood]

That engine should have been replaced after it got droped, god speed on gittin it worked out WOLFRAM..............:rock: :rock:

 

[WOLFRAM]

Or it could be moving back and fourth on the mains. :dontknow: thats a clusterfck

NO SHIT

P.S. Post #45 edited.

 

[GADodgetech]

NO SHIT

P.S. Post #45 edited.

Its possible, if it really screwed that crank up and all was done was the crank was replaced and not the mains id be concerned. Did he replace the mains?

 

[RedSrt007]

yellow freight was going and willing to pay for a complete teardown or engine, engine was shipped back to sloan, sloan ok'd engine, reshipped back to wolfram

I think this is the whole point of it....

If the shipping company PAID for it to be shipped back, torn down, and checked out....what were the results? And are there any testing specs, or was it just a visual "OK" and moved on?!

 

[WOLFRAM]

Its possible, if it really screwed that crank up and all was done was the crank was replaced and not the mains id be concerned. Did he replace the mains?

Nothing was said about that.:dontknow:

 

[SHU-DOG]

So how does the shipper get out of this one???

I would be all over them. It your engine.

I would think the builder would have been all over them also.

How far did it fall? You have to figure what 600 lb for these engines?

Any mathmatically inclined want to put together a table showing the force for each foot the engine dropped it put onto the front of the crank?

I know i would have wanted an new rebuild.... PERIOD...

Sorry to hear of your problem.

Hope it all works out.

SHU

 

[GADodgetech]

Nothing was said about that.:dontknow:

Hmmm thats something stinker would know more about, I hope they were atleast checked to make sure they werent out of round. cheap insurance would have been just to replace them or line hone them.

 

[WOLFRAM]

I think this is the whole point of it....

If the shipping company PAID for it to be shipped back, torn down, and checked out....what were the results? And are there any testing specs, or was it just a visual "OK" and moved on?!

Nothing but a verbal "It fine, we found nothing wrong", and only promises about specs. (none delivered)

 

[TNVIPER]

I am just WTF???!!!........I spent a ton of money on my build and if it had turned out like this..:argh: ...dang I feel bad for wolf....... ..............but reading all the facts it seems that there is a possibility that the engine was done right to begin with but maybe the drop caused the problem....Sloan may have not checked the engine as he should or maybe he just made a misjudgement.......lot of maybes..........on the other hand he aint answering calls..though there may be reasons for that...hopefully he will chime in to explain................hope it works out for ya in the end..

 

[SrtBrad]

Darrin I'm glad you took my advise on starting this thread.

I'm sure any reasonable person like Darrin would want advise from several members,friends, and family before taking any further action. Hopefully there is a reasonable outcome to this situation.

Hopefully Pirateman steps up and addresses this issue and makes it right. In the mean time is there any members/builders/vendors here that would be willing to take the engine apart as a neutral party to address the reason for failure?

 

[JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE]

that is what I have explained once, and will again, the shipper was going to replace or do whatever was needed, they new they dropped it, it was done right on the dock, and yes with shoddy packaging, they returned it to sloan,
all we both got back was "its fine, checks out ok" we could get nothing more.
it was then returned to wolfram.

as I said before, i thought it should have been completly dissassembled and inspected, was it? to me probably not, but I was not there.

 

[andrew heywood]

go after the shipin company, they should have done their homework, and apparently they did not...........as far as coverin their ass goes, and ya might wanna talk to a attorney friend...........

 

[WOLFRAM]

I am just WTF???!!!........I spent a ton of money on my build and if it had turned out like this..:argh: ...dang I feel bad for wolf....... ..............but reading all the facts it seems that there is a possibility that the engine was done right to begin with but maybe the drop caused the problem....Sloan may have not checked the engine as he should or maybe he just made a misjudgement.......lot of maybes..........on the other hand he aint answering calls..though there may be reasons for that...hopefully he will chime in to explain................hope it works out for ya in the end..

Non-communication is the reason I brought it here. I understand that shit happens and I don"t really want to crucify "Sloan". I just need proof of what I paid for, and is it really safe for "FI".